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« on: Mar 01, 2012 at 15:56 »

Jason La Canfora of NFL Network is reporting Smith is out, though as yet unsubstantiated else.

Rumors that Farrior's hitting the bricks via his agent via Twitter.

Big changes afoot, my friends.
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« Reply #1 on: Mar 01, 2012 at 16:00 »

He'll retire according to him.  Another great player gone.  End of an era.  Do any pre-2K players remain on the roster?  I guess Farrior.  After that?
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« Reply #2 on: Mar 01, 2012 at 16:02 »

Big changes afoot, my friends.

It was time.  The whole shebang was getting long in the tooth and that ain't good in the NFL. 
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« Reply #3 on: Mar 01, 2012 at 19:00 »

Big changes afoot, my friends.

Kinda makes ya miss those boring offseasons.
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« Reply #4 on: Mar 01, 2012 at 20:28 »

Kemo out.  No surprise there.
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« Reply #5 on: Mar 02, 2012 at 08:59 »

We are now >$10M under the cap, so can sign rooks, RFAs, and make some moves WRT to MW.  Once either Farrior and/or Foote are cut, the MW deal gets done, IMO.
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« Reply #6 on: Mar 02, 2012 at 09:04 »

I hate to see some of these guys go that have made the team great over the past decade plus, but this needed to happen in order for the Steelers to remain competitive next year and beyond.  They were able to hide it for much of the season, but when they looked old last year, they looked old.
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« Reply #7 on: Mar 02, 2012 at 10:17 »

And Farrior is now official too.  Tough to see it all going down at one time with Hines and Smith, quality guys all.

Read it was either/or with Farrior/Foote, but still would not be shocked if Foote is axed.

FO saves about $3M with Potsie.  Not sure with Foote, about the same-ish, IIRC.
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« Reply #8 on: Mar 02, 2012 at 11:26 »

Necessary evils of the salary cap era.  What these players meant to this organization/fans/city will not be measured in the same way that it was with the names of the 70s.  But I'm not sure it's that much less impressive.  They took three trips to the big dance and brought home two titles; and kept the Steelers at the top of the NFL for more than a decade.  It's a rare accomplishment in this day and time.
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« Reply #9 on: Mar 02, 2012 at 11:38 »

 I know we will have been grooming some players to fill the rolls of the players that have been cut, but it sure make me nervous that we are getting too young too quick.

2011 opening day starters Cut, or going to be cut

Ward
Farrior
Foote
Smith - (IR)
Hampton
Kemoeatu

Thats alot of leadership gone...

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« Reply #10 on: Mar 02, 2012 at 11:39 »

While they're at it, cut Mendenhall too.

Why carry a 3 and a half million cap charge on a RB that will miss between a third to half the season in the final year of his contract?  Plus, players always take another year to recover from that kind of injury.  He's not getting another contract from them so why not just part ways now and save a few extra million?  They could probably sign a decent, FA stopgap RB replacement for what they would net in savings from that move.
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« Reply #11 on: Mar 02, 2012 at 12:00 »

2011 opening day starters Cut, or going to be cut

Ward
Farrior
Foote
Smith - (IR)
Hampton
Kemoeatu

Thats alot of leadership gone...

ILB, DL and OL.

Sounds 'bout right.  What many here have been saying for awhile.
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« Reply #12 on: Mar 02, 2012 at 12:01 »

True Brinker, but there are still plenty of veterans around on both sides of the ball, new ones in the making.
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« Reply #13 on: Mar 02, 2012 at 12:45 »

While they're at it, cut Mendenhall too.

Why carry a 3 and a half million cap charge on a RB that will miss between a third to half the season in the final year of his contract?  Plus, players always take another year to recover from that kind of injury.  He's not getting another contract from them so why not just part ways now and save a few extra million?  They could probably sign a decent, FA stopgap RB replacement for what they would net in savings from that move.

I think most of his money is guaranteed money.  Savings would only be salary, which is rook money and minimal.  Might as well keep.  After that, dunno.
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« Reply #14 on: Mar 02, 2012 at 13:39 »

While they're at it, cut Mendenhall too.

Why carry a 3 and a half million cap charge on a RB that will miss between a third to half the season in the final year of his contract?  Plus, players always take another year to recover from that kind of injury.  He's not getting another contract from them so why not just part ways now and save a few extra million?  They could probably sign a decent, FA stopgap RB replacement for what they would net in savings from that move.

I think most of his money is guaranteed money.  Savings would only be salary, which is rook money and minimal.  Might as well keep.  After that, dunno.

Thought I read somewhere that his salary was in the 1.5-2MIL range.  If that's the case, it's a no brainer.
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« Reply #15 on: Mar 02, 2012 at 14:38 »

While they're at it, cut Mendenhall too.

Why carry a 3 and a half million cap charge on a RB that will miss between a third to half the season in the final year of his contract?  Plus, players always take another year to recover from that kind of injury.  He's not getting another contract from them so why not just part ways now and save a few extra million?  They could probably sign a decent, FA stopgap RB replacement for what they would net in savings from that move.

I think most of his money is guaranteed money.  Savings would only be salary, which is rook money and minimal.  Might as well keep.  After that, dunno.

Thought I read somewhere that his salary was in the 1.5-2MIL range.  If that's the case, it's a no brainer.

No.  $650K salary, that would be our cap savings if cut.  We keep, hardball into C$2 if nothing better arrives via draft; if we do draft, someone will pick him up and we'll get a comp.  So figure that into what we drop on a RB, say, a R2 - 2013 R3 (comp).
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« Reply #16 on: Mar 02, 2012 at 16:33 »

While they're at it, cut Mendenhall too.

Why carry a 3 and a half million cap charge on a RB that will miss between a third to half the season in the final year of his contract?  Plus, players always take another year to recover from that kind of injury.  He's not getting another contract from them so why not just part ways now and save a few extra million?  They could probably sign a decent, FA stopgap RB replacement for what they would net in savings from that move.


I think most of his money is guaranteed money.  Savings would only be salary, which is rook money and minimal.  Might as well keep.  After that, dunno.


Thought I read somewhere that his salary was in the 1.5-2MIL range.  If that's the case, it's a no brainer.


No.  $650K salary, that would be our cap savings if cut.  We keep, hardball into C$2 if nothing better arrives via draft; if we do draft, someone will pick him up and we'll get a comp.  So figure that into what we drop on a RB, say, a R2 - 2013 R3 (comp).


Shit, if it's just 650K, then I guess consider it a cheap insurance policy for the latter half of the year.  Although, I highly doubt he'll be at all useful in 2012.

The dude at Steelers Depot has his 2012 base around what I mentioned so I guess it boils down to which numbers are right.
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« Reply #17 on: Mar 03, 2012 at 02:00 »

Why not Harrison?  He is no spring chicken and his salary is considerable.  Or trade the shit outta him.  Hell, if you are gunna go for it, then dammit...GO FOR IT!
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« Reply #18 on: Mar 03, 2012 at 07:57 »

Why not Harrison?  He is no spring chicken and his salary is considerable.  Or trade the shit outta him.  Hell, if you are gunna go for it, then dammit...GO FOR IT!


Ummmmmmm, no.
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Shit, if it's just 650K, then I guess consider it a cheap insurance policy for the latter half of the year.  Although, I highly doubt he'll be at all useful in 2012.

The dude at Steelers Depot has his 2012 base around what I mentioned so I guess it boils down to which numbers are right.


Not sure what you're looking at aj, but that link at SD shows Mendy's got a base of $613,000.  That would be how much we'd save if we cut him, i.e., pittance.  His "cap charge" is $1,883,000, which would appear to be salary + guaranteed bonus.  We don't save $1.8M by cutting, in other words.
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« Reply #20 on: Mar 03, 2012 at 14:50 »

Not sure what you're looking at aj, but that link at SD shows Mendy's got a base of $613,000. 

Dunno what to tell ya, Findude.  When I click it and go to that page, the table (Steelers 2012 Players Under Contract Salary Cap) shows Mendy having a base of $2,077,500 and a cap charge of $3,427,500.

Wait a sec, you're on a Mac, right?

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« Reply #21 on: Mar 04, 2012 at 13:40 »

Sorry, my bad - I clicked through to the 2011 cap data.  Still, didn't think RM's 2012 # was that high, seems odd for a rookie deal.  But whatever.
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« Reply #22 on: Mar 05, 2012 at 08:34 »

Yeah, here's another source that puts the numbers at $650,000 base salary and $1,366,000 SB; the annual breakdown looks more like what I had remembered it to be.  I think this is more accurate, and the savings by cutting RM would only be the base salary.  Not sure why SD's numbers are so jacked.
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« Reply #23 on: Mar 05, 2012 at 08:36 »

Oh, and the same site shows Foote's base as $3M even.  I know we just cut Farrior, but...  FFS, $3M?  I'd keep cutting if I were Colbert.  Either see if Sylvester or possibly Chris Carter can assume a starting spot, or bargain hunt ILB FAs.
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« Reply #24 on: Mar 05, 2012 at 10:10 »

I checked a site (spotrac.com) I usually use for sports contracts and they mirror the numbers you're getting.  They're usually pretty accurate.  Maybe the dude at SD was sniffin' glue that day.

Did Mendenhall restructure at one point and no one documented it?  The only possible explanation I can see for getting to those higher numbers on his rookie deal.
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« Reply #25 on: Mar 05, 2012 at 12:36 »

Also, isn't the injury an issue? Wouldn't they have to pay him out some since he ended the season injured? That was a factor for Hampton, per Bouchette.
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« Reply #26 on: Mar 12, 2012 at 00:10 »

Dude took an ad out in the post-gazette thanking fans. My allergies really acted up, man.
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« Reply #27 on: Mar 12, 2012 at 09:46 »

Dude took an ad out in the post-gazette thanking fans. My allergies really acted up, man.


Link: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/11/aaron-smith-thanks-pittsburgh-in-style/
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« Reply #28 on: Mar 12, 2012 at 11:46 »

Dude took an ad out in the post-gazette thanking fans. My allergies really acted up, man.


Link: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/11/aaron-smith-thanks-pittsburgh-in-style/


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