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« on: Jul 09, 2012 at 23:55 »

Let me lead this post off by saying I am all in with this team, and by that I mean that I am happy to stop bitching about owners and gms and losing.   I'm just ready to enjoy it for however long it lasts.  I think playoffs are unlikely, but am now very hopeful of ending the losing streak.  Still, there are pieces missing and I don't really believe B.J. Upton is the answer, not at the cost.

Thoughts so far:

McCutchen.  That is all.

It's a shame there's no better option than Barmes.  But there's no shortstop available on the block and there's no way in hell Hurdle messes with a winning formula by sitting him, either.  At least Barmes provides some flashy leather on occasion.

My favorite player on the club right now is James McDonald.  Last year you could see how good his stuff was, but wondered if he'd ever master it.  He appears to have mastered it.  That back door breaking pitch he threw all day saturday got him about 15 outs, one way or another.  And he works fast, which speaks to his confidence level IMO.

No way we keep getting this kind of production out of the catcher tandem.  Barajas would have to step it up (and he seems too old to do so) because McKenry will surely cool significantly.  But again, not like there's anything we can do about it.

What we can do something about is Erik fucking Bedard.  He's just... horrible.  There's gotta be somebody better whose club wants to unload for salary. Somebody at triple a has to be better.  Has to be.  What would it take to get Millwood out of Seattle?  It couldn't be much.  Seattle is awful.  Even Jamie Moyer would be an upgrade.

We now know who Pedro is.  He'll hit 25+ home runs, he'll slug at least .450, but he'll also regularly go on 3 for 42 runs. 

I sometimes wonder what we could get for "that pederast" Hanrahan, and if Grilli could feasibly take over closing.  But maybe that's just the 20 years of selling assets in me talking.




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« Reply #1 on: Jul 10, 2012 at 08:55 »

Congrats to the Pirates on a monster first half.

Seriously.
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« Reply #2 on: Jul 21, 2012 at 01:33 »

Man, this is a fun team to root for.  Back in the burgh next week, got tickets to two of the cubs games.  Totally wired.
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« Reply #3 on: Jul 22, 2012 at 08:11 »

Man, this is a fun team to root for.  Back in the burgh next week, got tickets to two of the cubs games.  Totally wired.

Nice.  With three against the cubs and four against the astros, this team should be right there for that reds series.  Love to see that Agust 5th game get moved to Sunday Night Baseball.

I was thinking the other day, If the pirates and braves both finish in the wild card and get the one game playoff, 20 years later, it finally could be payback time.  I'd like to sign Francisco Cabrera to a one day contract if that happens.
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« Reply #4 on: Jul 22, 2012 at 09:47 »

I'd like to sign Francisco Cabrera to a one day contract if that happens.

As long as we don't sign Bonds to a one day, it's all good.
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« Reply #5 on: Jul 22, 2012 at 11:23 »

I'd like to sign Francisco Cabrera to a one day contract if that happens.

As long as we don't sign Bonds to a one day, it's all good.

I dunno man, I think the roids took care of his candy ass arm.
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« Reply #6 on: Jul 22, 2012 at 21:24 »

Sweep!

Going tomorrow and tuesday.

Watching the Tex-LAAoA game on espn.  I hope bonzr enjoys having poo-holes in his division for a few years.
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« Reply #7 on: Jul 23, 2012 at 07:39 »

I enjoyed the first part of his season, but it looks like he's turning on the poo now.  True poo.
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« Reply #8 on: Jul 26, 2012 at 22:58 »

It's been a lot of fun.  I have a feeling that Barmes must have pictures of Huntington with a hooker or something.  Decent enough in the field, but only marginally more effective than MacDonald with the bat.

Rodriguez is a much better pickup than I expected.  Let's hope he pitches as well for us as he did against us.
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« Reply #9 on: Jul 26, 2012 at 23:51 »

Let's get the Marte started!

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« Reply #10 on: Jul 27, 2012 at 19:04 »

People talking about trading Correia are insane.  Two weeks ago Bedard was close to scoring an ARIANS on the 'get his ass out of Pittsburgh' scale.  Now all of a sudden he's a sure thing.

Over the past month and a half, Correia has looked better than Bedard, plus Bedard has always had injury issues.  Plus MacDonald has looked shaky since the all star break.  I think it's a matter of Correia having more to offer from the pen than Bedard, and it would crush JMac to break the routine.  A couple of bad starts, or an injury, and KC's a starter again.  No way I trade decent starting pitching going into a playoff run, unless it involved getting a truly superior bat.  And I just don't think KC's trade value is that high.

Random thought:  I wish McGehee was more consistent at the plate, because he's played a nice first base for us this year.

Random thought 2: I think Pedro has made a lot of progress this year.  But he still strikes out too much to be a cleanup hitter.  Do you remember his last sac fly?  Me neither.  Leave him where he is in the lineup.  He's still learning how to hit major league pitching.  When he becomes a 'tough out' and not just a home run threat, move him up.

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« Reply #11 on: Jul 28, 2012 at 09:05 »

Yeah I'd definitely keep Correia around for insurance. Berdard has been better this year but his arm is due to fall off any start now.  Plus you've got a guy like J-Mac who is going to reach a career high in innings this year.  Having another reliabale 5th starter/swing-man is a valuable thing.  I think his value is higher to the team than any marginal prospect we'd get in return for him.

Re McGehee: good pinch hitter aginst lefties and good defensive replacement, but he's exposed when he plays every day.  I hope they still pick up a more consistent bat for RF and stick Jones at first. Jone has actually been hitting lefties, and he's earned the shot to play everyday.

Re Pedro: Definitely needs to be more consistent, but he's been such a pile of crap the last two years that I'll take the .230 average and strikeouts if he keeps slugging the way he has.  He's always going to be a big strikeout guy, but I would like to see either that average rise or Pedro to start taking some more walks.  I'd leave him where he is in the lineup as well for now, gives us some nice power at the later part of the order.

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« Reply #12 on: Jul 28, 2012 at 09:20 »

I kinda like the idea of the idea of Correia spot starting for everyone except Burnett, and Juan D. Rodriguez (until we see what he's got).  Seems to me like they could all use a bit of extra rest.
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« Reply #13 on: Jul 29, 2012 at 08:20 »

I really hope MacDonald is solid today and finds his groove again.  He gave us glimpses of what he was capable of the past two seasons, and was so much fun to watch for the first half of this season.  Fingers crossed he's not dealing with some minor elbow/shoulder/arm issue.
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« Reply #14 on: Jul 29, 2012 at 09:27 »

Fingers crossed he's not dealing with some minor elbow/shoulder/arm issue.

Seems to me it's more like an innings issue.
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« Reply #15 on: Jul 29, 2012 at 20:30 »

I kinda like the idea of the idea of Correia spot starting for everyone except Burnett, and Juan D. Rodriguez (until we see what he's got).  Seems to me like they could all use a bit of extra rest.

I could care less about the Pirates. However it'd be nice to have them win. My sister who DGAF about sports, compared to the rest of us, loves the Pirates. Bought me a sick ass 59/50 in Penguin-style Vegas gold for Christmas. I've floated her and her fiancee a few tickets because I just get drunk and look the girls. She roots for them like the typical retard Pirate fan. "raise it! Cutch! Pedro! Etc" but the best thing ever was when I got the "Pirates got Juan D. Rodriguez I heard!!!!" text. Surely that's not how you came to that but strange coincidence.
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« Reply #16 on: Jul 30, 2012 at 06:06 »

Seems to me it's more like an innings issue.

I hope that's all it is.  Yesterday was abysmal.

Jim Palmer threw 25 complete games (10 shutouts) in 1975 and MacDonald's arm is tired by late July?
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« Reply #17 on: Jul 30, 2012 at 11:50 »

Seems to me it's more like an innings issue.

I hope that's all it is.  Yesterday was abysmal.

Jim Palmer threw 25 complete games (10 shutouts) in 1975 and MacDonald's arm is tired by late July?

Yes, men were tougher in days of yore.

McDonald is just learning how to pitch, IMO.  I guess I kind of misspoke above-- not an innings issue as much as a work issue.  In his last 3 or 4 starts McDonald had thrown over five or six what he threw over 7 or 8 earlier in the season.  He looks like he did last year again.
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« Reply #18 on: Jul 31, 2012 at 09:56 »

And Bad Deal Neal trades Lincoln for a minor leaguer.  This kid better hit and hit starting tonight.
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« Reply #19 on: Jul 31, 2012 at 10:38 »

I agree.  This trade kind of turned my stomach.  Lincoln was a Pirate, and this year it was really a pleasure to follow his development.  I remember watching his debut one afternoon, two summers ago, alone in a bar on the south side.  We got smoked by Stausberg and the Nationals (also SS's debut).

I know Lincoln underperformed as a starter this year.  2 bad starts, one good start, and they moved him back to the pen.  He has pitched excellently in relief.

Looking at our pen:
Cruz started well but has been shaky for a month+.
Resop has been shaky at least that long.  I expected much more from him this year.
Watson has been unremarkable.  I watch most of every game and can barely remember him pitching.
Grilli has been excellent, though since the all star break he stumbled at least once.
Hanrahan, aka the cardiac kid, gets the job done but not without putting the go ahead run on base.  I would not be surprised to see a major melt-down at some point this season.  Even my mother thinks he's lost his edge.
Lincoln had the best ERA in the majors among relievers with 30+ innings........

I had come to see Lincoln as a valuable utility pitcher.  A starter gets injured or just plain loses it and he could step in.  Hanrahan goes down and Lincoln could have closed.  Otherwise there's nothing wrong with strong mid relief. 

I really hope they know something I don't, because it feels like we traded Lincoln for another Presley/Tabada type.  (I haven't given up on Presley yet, but we need a bat NOW.)
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« Reply #20 on: Jul 31, 2012 at 11:33 »


I really hope they know something I don't, because it feels like we traded Lincoln for another Presley/Tabada type.  (I haven't given up on Presley yet, but we need a bat NOW.)


I agree with all that you said except this.  Whatever Snider is, he's not going to bat leadoff like both Tabata and Presley were *supposed* to.  From what I've seen of his numbers (too lazy to post links) his hitting profile is similar to Jones or Alvarez.  If we get that kind of production outta this guy for the next 4 years, fine, I guess.
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« Reply #21 on: Jul 31, 2012 at 14:36 »

Pirates get Gaby Sanchez for Gorkys Hernandez, who had a sweet glove but couldn't hit a lick.  I love this deal in a vacuum, but with Snider presumably taking over one of the corner OF spots, where in hell is Jones gonna play?
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« Reply #22 on: Jul 31, 2012 at 17:51 »

I like the deal.  Snider is a guy who has always slugged well and should benefit from playing in PNC as a lefty. At 24 years old he is only 8 months older than Marte so there is alot of room for improvement.  He'll get the chance to play every day here.  These guys still don't get on base as much as I'd like, but should hit alot of homeruns from here on out.  I also like the offensive core of:

Pedro
Cutch
Walker
Marte
Snider
McHenry (hell why not)

All are very young in baseball terms.

I liked Lincoln as a reliever, but any time you can trade a relief pitcher for an every day player with upside, you have to do it.  hell, I'd trade Hanrahan if it meant they could upgrade the lineup somewhere.  Now, as for the other 2 trades today, Bleh.
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« Reply #23 on: Aug 02, 2012 at 04:00 »

Is Marte supposed to be a bunter?  He seems to give away a lot of early strikes with weak bunt attempts.

One more bad start and Bedard will either be sat down or released.  One way or the other KC will be starting again by the end of August.  Let's hope he doesn't suck again too.

Later edit:
I think that knee injury bothered Barajas more than he's let on.  He was hitting pretty well (relatively) up until then, but since then he's sucked.

Double edit during the friday game:
All this talk about trades etc.  Blah, blah, blah.  Not one word was said in the media about trying to address our real weakness.  Clint "the dribbler" Barmes.  He's terrible.  I honestly can't remember the last time he made solid contact with the ball.  I'd rather have Jmac at the plate.  And at some point his fielding the ball to the side is going to cost us a run.
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« Reply #24 on: Aug 06, 2012 at 09:56 »

I really wanted to see us throw at a Red or two yesterday, but now I'm glad we didn't.  The umpiring was borderline criminal though.  I thought warnings had been issued and then they hit two pirates and nothing happens?  Huh?

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« Reply #25 on: Aug 09, 2012 at 07:13 »

Snider looks to have potential, but for the remainder of this season I'd rather have Lincoln back.  My confidence in our bullpen is way down.  7th inning of a playoff game and I'd not exactly be ecstatic about having Qualls come in.
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« Reply #26 on: Aug 09, 2012 at 08:54 »

Yes, there's no doubt that Qualls is a definite downgrade.  And it doesn't help either that Grilli has looked his age since the all-star break.  Let's see what Locke can do in the Lincoln role.
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« Reply #27 on: Aug 09, 2012 at 10:18 »

It's funny because in German 'Qual' means suffering or agony.  That's what I feel when I see him jogging to the mound!

Plus, he still gives off the stench of the Yankees.
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« Reply #28 on: Aug 09, 2012 at 11:27 »

7th inning of a playoff game and I'd not exactly be ecstatic about having Qualls come in.

Sounds like it would be a nice problem to have...

Plus, he still gives off the stench of the Yankees.

That stench is one of the reasons why they're 16 games over .500.  Cool

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« Reply #29 on: Aug 10, 2012 at 18:01 »

Plus, he still gives off the stench of the Yankees.

That stench is one of the reasons why they're 16 games over .500.  Cool
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Actually, Brad Lincoln pitching excellently in relief all season is one of the reasons why they're 16 games over .500.  Don't worry though, Cruz will be back soon.  I can almost remember the last time he pitched well.
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« Reply #30 on: Aug 13, 2012 at 08:33 »

Plus, he still gives off the stench of the Yankees.

That stench is one of the reasons why they're 16 games over .500.  Cool

Actually, Brad Lincoln pitching excellently in relief all season is one of the reasons why they're 16 games over .500.  Don't worry though, Cruz will be back soon.  I can almost remember the last time he pitched well.
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« Reply #31 on: Aug 13, 2012 at 18:30 »

yes, burnett having a career year is another reason why we don't suck again this year.  if you don't share my concerns about the strength of our bullpen atm, i really don't know what to tell you.  

just watched an interview during one of the breaks.  one of the nuttings was featured.  smug smile on his coddled mug.  too bad he wasn't being flogged with chicken wire by barmes.  At least then barmes would be earning his paycheck.
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« Reply #32 on: Aug 14, 2012 at 03:00 »

yes, burnett having a career year is another reason why we don't suck again this year.  if you don't share my concerns about the strength of our

just watched an interview during one of the breaks.  one of the nuttings was featured.  smug smile on his coddled mug.  too bad he wasn't being flogged with chicken wire by barmes.  At least then barmes would be earning his paycheck.

Dude, no bitching about the nutting or the coonelly or the huntington here.  That's what Smizik's blog is for.  Play on the field is all that matters.
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« Reply #33 on: Aug 14, 2012 at 12:05 »

yes, burnett having a career year is another reason why we don't suck again this year.  if you don't share my concerns about the strength of our bullpen atm, i really don't know what to tell you.  

TBH, I don't know a thing about the strength, or lack thereof, of the Pirates pen.

My comment was solely aimed at your Qualls having a Yankee stench hater comment.  That's it.  It obviously bothers you with Qualls, but not from Burnett.  I guess it's a tolerable odor when the guy leads the team in wins/ERA for the season...
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« Reply #34 on: Aug 14, 2012 at 12:17 »

It obviously bothers you with Qualls, but not from Burnett.  I guess it's a tolerable odor when the guy leads the team in wins/ERA for the season...

Yes, it is a tolerable odor when that happens.

Speaking of Yankee stench, I was at "The Stadium" last night.  I was surprised at how pleasant it was, not at all a bad place to see a game.  I'd rank it equal with Fenway or Wrigley. 

My favorite t-shirt of the night featured that most interesting man guy from the dos equis commercials.  It said, "I don't always hate.. but when I do hate, I prefer to hate Boston."
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« Reply #35 on: Aug 14, 2012 at 14:41 »

My favorite t-shirt of the night featured that most interesting man guy from the dos equis commercials.  It said, "I don't always hate.. but when I do hate, I prefer to hate Boston."


Yeah, I've seen that one before.  I'm a fan.

I like this one a little more, but it's tough to wear around the kiddies:


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« Reply #36 on: Aug 16, 2012 at 02:55 »

yes, burnett having a career year is another reason why we don't suck again this year.  if you don't share my concerns about the strength of our bullpen atm, i really don't know what to tell you.  

TBH, I don't know a thing about the strength, or lack thereof, of the Pirates pen.

My comment was solely aimed at your Qualls having a Yankee stench hater comment.  That's it.  It obviously bothers you with Qualls, but not from Burnett.  I guess it's a tolerable odor when the guy leads the team in wins/ERA for the season...

That's funny.  Your comment went right over my head.  I wondered what the hell you were talking about.  Probably because at this point in the season I view AJ as a Pirate.  NY fans and media hated him btw.  And yes, I am a hater.

Very little in sports sweeter than Yankee fan tears at the end of a season.
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« Reply #37 on: Aug 27, 2012 at 00:46 »

We seemed to be winning more games before.
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« Reply #38 on: Aug 30, 2012 at 18:12 »

Pirates do much better when the starting pitching is solid and Pedro's blasting home runs.

I'd like to see us go .500 from here on out.

labor day edit:  wow jmac was terrible yesterday.  he had nothing.  when everyone else was talking about winning the division, i was only hoping for .500 baseball in the second half.  we're not even managing that.  I'd really like to see some fight out of these guys.  I'm struggling to find positives about their play at the moment.
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« Reply #39 on: Sep 09, 2012 at 00:48 »

All I want is 82 wins. 
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« Reply #40 on: Sep 11, 2012 at 08:29 »

All I want is 82 wins.

Highly unlikely.  They'd have to go 10-12 the rest of the way.
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« Reply #41 on: Sep 22, 2012 at 12:34 »

And as .500 not-so-slowly fades into the autumn twilight, we get this:

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8409943/ex-pittsburgh-pirates-owner-kevin-mcclatchy-comes-gay

I got nothing here.
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« Reply #42 on: Dec 24, 2012 at 15:26 »

In other news: Pirates trade star closer Joel Hanrahan for a case of gatorade and 3 tubes of IcyHot.
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« Reply #43 on: Dec 25, 2012 at 09:21 »

And Bob Nutting keeps lining his pockets.

Trade good players expecting significant raises for other teams cast-offs rejects and failures, rinse and repeat = successful business model.
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« Reply #44 on: Dec 25, 2012 at 12:21 »

I didn't mind that they dealt Hanrahan.  But it really seems like they got absolutely nothing in return.  A sixth corner OF guy and 3 AA pitchers?!?  A decent SS prospect would have been nice.

This reminds me how shitty the Lincoln trade was.
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« Reply #45 on: Dec 26, 2012 at 13:34 »

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A decent SS prospect would have been nice.

The Pirates actually gave up the only SS prospect in the entire organization.

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In exchange for Hanrahan and Brock Holt the Pirates get first baseman/outfielder Jerry Sands, reliever Mark Melancon, and prospects Stolmy Pimentel and Ivan De Jesus.

Just re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

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Boston got Melancon from Houston last offseason for Jed Lowrie, but he quickly went from setup man to the minors after a brutal start. He returned in June and pitched well with a 4.19 ERA and 40/10 K/BB ratio in 43 innings, so the Pirates definitely bought low on a capable late-inning bullpen arm.

Neither Pimental nor De Jesus ranked among the Red Sox’s top 10 prospects according to Baseball America. De Jesus, who was also acquired in the Gonzalez/Crawford/Beckett swap, has spent most of the past three seasons at Triple-A and projects as a bench player in the majors at age 26. Pimentel spent this season at Double-A as a 22-year-old, throwing 116 innings with a 4.59 ERA and 86/42 K/BB ratio.

26 year old prospects?  Sounds like they'll fit right in.
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« Reply #46 on: Dec 27, 2012 at 00:09 »

Stolmy Pimentel

Meh.  All the flavored vodkas are overrated IMO.
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« Reply #47 on: Dec 27, 2012 at 12:17 »

Agree with the above assuming Jerry Sands doesn't pan out. But 26 homers in less than 120 AAA games last season makes him a guy with tremendous power.
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