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« on: Aug 19, 2012 at 13:01 »

Points of innarest for me:

-- Running back
-- QB #3.  Can Johnson unseat one of the vets?
-- NT.  Can McLendon really be a legit starter?
-- The OL.  See the history of MGS posts 2005-2012.


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« Reply #1 on: Aug 19, 2012 at 16:28 »

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« Reply #2 on: Aug 19, 2012 at 18:11 »

Points of innarest for me:

-- Running back
-- QB #3.  Can Johnson unseat one of the vets?
-- NT.  Can McLendon really be a legit starter?
-- The OL.  See the history of MGS posts 2005-2012.




Not sure if Redman is 100%, might see a lot of Dwyer.  Which, at this point, would be a good idea.
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Work in progress, finally, FINALLY moving in a positive direction.  Starting lineup likely: Max-Willie-Pounce-DDC-Gilbert, mid-season Adams will get his shot.

OLB is a big area of concern, as is S (with Clark out W1), and some WR5 needs to win the job, tho 4-deep (assuming Wally) isn't dire straits.  Dire Straits, as we all know, suck.

Fine that the Haley O worked on specific D&D shit, running, dumpoffs, whatever.  For fun, throw us some fireworks, downfield action, if for no other reason than to show up BA.
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« Reply #3 on: Aug 19, 2012 at 22:01 »

Some quick points:

Overall, didn't like what I saw.  I know it's only the second preseason game, but nobody really looked sharp.  Even the 1s looked disinterested.  At least nobody suffered any serious injuries.

As to certain players, I'm not crazy about Rainey.  Small, shifty guys need to be fast AND elusive.  He's too busy trying to break tackles when he should be working on eluding them.  Maybe he should spend some time in the film room watching some of Percy Harvin's work.

I'm a little, not much, but a little more comfortable with RB.  Dwyer is OK.  Reminds me a lot of Mendy in stature without the spinning.  Batch is meh.  As long as Redman is ready to go against the Broncos, they'll be alright.

Ben didn't seem to be on the same page with his receivers.  Short of a toss or two, everything felt forced.  No rhythm.

O-line will take some time, but it's to be expected.  Lotta good talent there.

On the defensive side, they also appeared to be going through the motions.  Luck looked way too comfortable out there.  I know he good and all, but he's still a rookie.  He was able to find open receivers with relative ease.  One bad toss on the Ike pickle (hey, was that a catch??!!), but the other INT wasn't his fault.  The throw was off, but not deserving of an INT.  And, don't use the, "it was vanilla...didn't want to show them that much...blah, blah, blah..." argument.  I saw several zone blitzes, a bunch of stunts and even a couple of CB blitzes.  Sure didn't feel like Pittsburgh was holding back on defense.

Luck was down prior to breaking the plane.  One before that shoulda been a TD, tho.

Pretty sure that Arians actually looks fatter than he did 6 months ago.  With those Indy white ballcaps, he looks like a whitehead begging to be popped.

His name...is David Paulson.

Oh yeah, one other item, with these replacement refs out there, I'd be tellin' my guys to push the envelope on things like holds until they start callin' it.  Saw a bunch of instances where it looked like players were discreetly getting away with grabs, chucks, jersey pulls, etc.  Unless it's blatant, zebras probably aren't going to call it because they don't want to make a huge mistake and they know they're under the microscope.  Gotta play the situation.
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« Reply #4 on: Aug 19, 2012 at 22:53 »



Luck was down prior to breaking the plane.  One before that shoulda been a TD, tho.



I agree with most of your points, except the one above. The first one was definitely not a TD, IMO...and, according to Collinsworth, the second one should not have been, but I don't know the rule about when/where a QB starts to slide and where the ball should be considered down...All I really know is that if too many of our 1st stringers get banged up, we are in some deep shit.
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« Reply #5 on: Aug 20, 2012 at 06:54 »


His name...is David Paulson.

HIS NAME IS DAVID PAULSON.

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« Reply #6 on: Aug 20, 2012 at 07:36 »


His name...is David Paulson.


Are you saying Arians let his meat loaf?
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« Reply #7 on: Aug 20, 2012 at 07:43 »


"That drive ended in a touchdown as well (run in by Luck on fourth and 1, a call that only offensive coordinator Bruce Arians would make)."

No Doubt.
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« Reply #8 on: Aug 20, 2012 at 08:37 »



Luck was down prior to breaking the plane.  One before that shoulda been a TD, tho.



I agree with most of your points, except the one above. The first one was definitely not a TD, IMO...and, according to Collinsworth, the second one should not have been, but I don't know the rule about when/where a QB starts to slide and where the ball should be considered down...All I really know is that if too many of our 1st stringers get banged up, we are in some deep shit.

I'll have to go back and look at the first play again.  Remember, it was called a TD and I don't recall seeing any clear and convincing evidence to overturn it.  Could be wrong.

As to the Luck TD, I've always thought the rule for when a QB slides feet first is that the QB is down where he began his slide with the ball being placed at that spot.  Didn't think ball location factored in that situation.  Either way, Luck clearly started his slide outside the EZ and the ball was nowhere near breaking the plane.

Oh, and as BV alluded to, nice call, Hairyarms.  Way to put the franchise on the line in a preseason game.  I'd fire his ass just for that call alone.
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« Reply #9 on: Aug 20, 2012 at 08:56 »

Forgot to mention last night during my half asleep ramble...

Think the Colts made a nice find with Vick Ballard.  Solid value pick right thur.  Nice size, quick feet, runs hard.  Reminds me of Michael Turner...or maybe it's just the number, not sure.  Anyway, dude will be starting by Week 5 or so after Brown fizzles or gets injured.

I thought it was a given that Batch and Lefty would be the other two QBs on the roster.  Johnson is making a decent case to the contrary.

David Gilreath has better WR skills than Rainey.  Good hands, shifty, quick...important traits for a smurf WR.  Rainey might have a better 40 time, but I don't think he's a better player.  Wonder if Gilreath can return kickoffs/punts?
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« Reply #10 on: Aug 20, 2012 at 09:34 »

Thought the starting OL looked pretty good.  Should be better with Max at LT, which I'm assuming we'll see next week at Buffalo.  It's going to take an injury for Mike Adams to start this year though, IMO. Figure we'll see the starters for a full half, so hope they get into something resembling a rhythm, albeit without Wally, Mendy, or Redman. 

Don't understand the Beachum hype from camp; looks like a bum at OT, looks like a bum at OG.  Flashback...

Quote from: Finny's 2012 draft guide
Quick-fire round:  SMU’s LT/OG Kelvin Beachum[/u], SMU’s OG Josh LeRibeus[/u], Cal (PA)’s Rishaw Johnson[/u], Rutgers’s Desmond Wynn [/u], Virginia Tech’s Jaymes Brooks[/u], Wake Forest’s Joe Looney[/u], Temple’s Derek Dennis[/u] all come to the same grade based on frame, LOC, injury issues, etc.  How many ways can I say “no?”  Nerr, nerl, gnerl, uh-nerr, nerr-again, naughty-knot nerr nerr, and ugnow.

Ryan Lee looked pretty good late, would like to see him switch with Beachum for reps earlier. 

Jerrod Johnson looked better than I expected him to.  Does he seem less... nervous?... than Dennis Dixon used to?  Still think he's unlikely to unseat either of the old fucks at QB, but could be worth developing and stowing on the practice squad.

Gilreath is definitely making a case for WR5.  I dunno, I'm liking Rainey, think he's a lock for the 53, see him getting a lot of looks in a Dexter McCluster kinda way.

Some decent blocking from Baron Batch, but not much running.  Also, Will Johnson appears OK blocking.  Wish Baron would show more pop as runner or receiver, but then again, our OL backups are the suck.  Jason Ford did pretty well as runner and blocker, especially since he was in for about a week.  Could be a nice practice squad guy as well, sort of like John Clay.

Also, on Ballard, I gave him a R5 value because I saw him as very similar to Redman, so the issue was less one of talent and more one of redundancy.  But agree that he could be the main man if/when Brown goes down.

Arians's head looked like 50 pounds of melting soap.
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« Reply #11 on: Aug 20, 2012 at 12:23 »



Luck was down prior to breaking the plane.  One before that shoulda been a TD, tho.



I agree with most of your points, except the one above. The first one was definitely not a TD, IMO...and, according to Collinsworth, the second one should not have been, but I don't know the rule about when/where a QB starts to slide and where the ball should be considered down...All I really know is that if too many of our 1st stringers get banged up, we are in some deep shit.

I'll have to go back and look at the first play again.  Remember, it was called a TD and I don't recall seeing any clear and convincing evidence to overturn it.  Could be wrong.

As to the Luck TD, I've always thought the rule for when a QB slides feet first is that the QB is down where he began his slide with the ball being placed at that spot.  Didn't think ball location factored in that situation.  Either way, Luck clearly started his slide outside the EZ and the ball was nowhere near breaking the plane.

Oh, and as BV alluded to, nice call, Hairyarms.  Way to put the franchise on the line in a preseason game.  I'd fire his ass just for that call alone.

It is where the ball is when the QB starts the slide, just like where the ball is when the knee is down.  If the knee is down at the 4, and the ball is carried in the gut area, the ball is down, say, at the 3.  If the slide starts at the half yard line, the ball is likely at about the 1.

Didn't hairy arms call a boot leg the first game after Ben's ankle injury near the goal line?  Don't get me started.
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« Reply #12 on: Aug 20, 2012 at 12:29 »

contained in a PG article:  "Coach Dick LeBeau always tells us to stay close to the receiver," Taylor said, "and when the ball comes your way you have to catch the ball.

That is some rocket science there in Taylor's mind.  I never would have guessed you cover a guy by staying close to him.  Weird!!!!!!  I hope Taylor isn't at the top of the defensive IQ list.



Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/steelers-up-14-0-after-first-quarter-649654/#ixzz246mVNMa2
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« Reply #13 on: Aug 20, 2012 at 23:24 »

That is some rocket science there in Taylor's mind.  I never would have guessed you cover a guy by staying close to him.  Weird!!!!!!  I hope Taylor isn't at the top of the defensive IQ list.


Dude, Ike is dumb as a stump.  Didn't you know that?
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« Reply #14 on: Aug 21, 2012 at 10:30 »

that is hilarious.  Hall of Fame coaching there!!
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