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« on: Sep 11, 2012 at 09:45 »

These sad sacks are still cheering Modell's death.
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« Reply #1 on: Nov 19, 2012 at 13:21 »

Time to unleash hell, children.
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« Reply #2 on: Nov 19, 2012 at 13:27 »

Ike is out with a concussion.
Ryan Clark inexplicably started slapping his over sized forehead, after the game.
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« Reply #3 on: Nov 19, 2012 at 13:38 »

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« Reply #4 on: Nov 25, 2012 at 12:16 »

Mendenhall rules.
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« Reply #5 on: Nov 25, 2012 at 13:11 »

So glad that in an area where the CBS affiliate may either air Ravens or Steelers, they are airing neither despite lack of conflict between teams.  Some NFL bullshit no doubt.

And even better, we're playing like total ass.  I can't even listen any more.

We are complete suck.

Yep, 0.500 here we come.
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« Reply #6 on: Nov 25, 2012 at 13:17 »

Jesus fucking Christ .... Fuck you offense.. Haley's game plan is leaving much to be desired.. Quit fucking fumbling
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« Reply #7 on: Nov 25, 2012 at 13:31 »

It's a miracle they are leading at halftime
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« Reply #8 on: Nov 25, 2012 at 13:34 »

Wow.  Thought rainey up the middle was a poor call.  Lucky he finished the play and the browns didn't.

That was a painful half to watch.
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« Reply #9 on: Nov 25, 2012 at 14:33 »

Remind me why Batch and BL are on an NFL roster?
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« Reply #10 on: Nov 25, 2012 at 14:49 »

BR's injury clarifies offseason needs that I wouldn't have expected.

WE need to let walk: Mendenhall, Wallace, Leftwich, Batch.

We are set at: Offensive line, defensive line (excepting possibly NT), and, mostly, CB.

I think our wide receiver corps is a little bit overrated, and we need a big target to complement the speed of Brown and Sanders. Sanders and Wallace just can't make plays in traffic, and while Brown is better at it, he's kind of the same mold. We need a reliable move-the-chains receiver, and it wouldn't bother me if we used a first-round draft pick on this.

A RB who can get outside and is a bit bigger than Rainey, to pair with Dwyer, is needed. Another TE to go with Miller is long overdue as well.

Add some linebackers who can rush the passer, and we can get there. A veteran signing at S or LB could help us.

We need youth on defense, but frankly I think our offensive skill positions are a higher priority. I've become convinced that LeBeau and Tomlin can take a random assortment of 11 NFL players and coach them up to a #1 NFL defense.
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« Reply #11 on: Nov 25, 2012 at 15:01 »

Wow.  That's just beyond awful.

And that was a fumble but we have to timeouts to challenge.  That's ironic as hell.
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« Reply #12 on: Nov 25, 2012 at 15:02 »

Charlie, thanks for the memories, here's your gold watch.

Cut him tomorrow - sorry, he's done.
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« Reply #13 on: Nov 25, 2012 at 15:02 »

For all the times we have taken timeouts into the half or left them on the table at the end of the game...we don't have one sitting around to challenge that.
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« Reply #14 on: Nov 25, 2012 at 15:06 »

challenge, shmallenge. Unless the D was going to return it to the house, it wouldn't have helped us. Our offense, with the personnel we have available, can't do shit.
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« Reply #15 on: Nov 25, 2012 at 15:06 »

All things considered I think the D played well.  When you score 7 on D and only give up 3 not after turnovers hard to complain too much, except for missing a couple TO opportunities themselves.  Ike had yet another pick 6 clang off his hands.

Can't ask any defense to make up for seven turnovers.
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« Reply #16 on: Nov 25, 2012 at 15:07 »

Punt puts us at the 3. I see Batch's 4th interception coming up soon....
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« Reply #17 on: Nov 25, 2012 at 15:08 »

Fuckin' sick of this team being so fuckin' awful.

Yeah yeah yeah injuries yeah yeah yeah Leftwich and Batch.

Well, least I was right about going to 0.500.  Yay for me.
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« Reply #18 on: Nov 25, 2012 at 15:09 »

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Point taken.  And I don't blame coaching staff because Batch apparently doesn't have the arm to carry off most of our plays.  And again, the turnovers aren't on them.
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« Reply #19 on: Nov 25, 2012 at 15:10 »

Need to line up every offensive player except Heat in the locker room for an ass kicking by the defense.
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« Reply #20 on: Nov 25, 2012 at 15:12 »

7 fumbles, 4 lost.  3 INTs.  Sick.

I blame Tomlin and Colbert for not addressing the QB depth issue via the draft.  Been sayin' for years we're old and fragile there.  No quality at S either.  Guess what.  We're old and fragile and apparently full of suck at QB.  And no quality at S besides MIA43 and 25.

Really, really, REALLY fucking sick of this whole season.  Be nice to get healthy and go on a run, but I'm basically fucking sick of this team and its recurring issues.
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« Reply #21 on: Nov 25, 2012 at 15:15 »

Don't forget we also have no pass rushers, which, to me, is the bigger problem on defense than S.
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« Reply #22 on: Nov 25, 2012 at 15:17 »

Don't forget we also have no pass rushers, which, to me, is the bigger problem on defense than S.

Not to worry, we've invested 2 x R1 DL picks and 1x R2 OLB recently.  Should pay returns any day now.  Rilly. 
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« Reply #23 on: Nov 25, 2012 at 15:23 »

7 fumbles, 4 lost.  3 INTs.  Sick.

I blame Tomlin and Colbert for not addressing the QB depth issue via the draft.  Been sayin' for years we're old and fragile there.  No quality at S either.  Guess what.  We're old and fragile and apparently full of suck at QB.  And no quality at S besides MIA43 and 25.

Really, really, REALLY fucking sick of this whole season.  Be nice to get healthy and go on a run, but I'm basically fucking sick of this team and its recurring issues.

I blame the coaching staff as well. Batch should not be on an NFL roster and Tomlin should know this. And of course this contributed to what our RBs did today. The Browns d was absolutely teeing off on the runs and Batch's short check downs. I'm just surprised we didn't accrue more injuries.
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« Reply #24 on: Nov 25, 2012 at 15:29 »

Our drafting of late has seen some big misses.

We drafted Mendenhall, missing on Ray Rice, Matt Forte, and Jamaal Charles. Granted, this is hindsight, but that's just a clear case of a big whiff. I think it's a case where we fell in love with the guy with the best physique and passed on guys from smaller programs (except for Charles) but more productivity in college. Mendenhall looks like a tank, but he sucks. I think he's also in the wrong offense. He would probably churn out 1500 a year in a Shanahan-type, one-cut system. But whatever, I digress.

We whiffed badly on Mendenhall when other excellent backs were on the table. Hell, Tashard Choice, also picked that year, is a better back. Can you imagine pairing Ben with a Forte, A Charles, or a fucking Ray Rice?

Still, picking Mendy looks like picking Tom Brady in round 6 compared to our whiff on Limas Sweed. Some whiffs are gonna happen, and missing on Sweed led us to draft Wallace, Brown, and Sanders, and those were all good-to-great picks considering where they were selected.

I won't complain too much about Hood and Heyward specifically, as we did need 3-4 ends, but I will complain about the principle of spending 1st-round picks on 3-4 DEs. Good 3-4 ends can be found later, and a good 3-4 end seems to depend more on toughness and character than on talent, in my view.

As for OLB, I'm surprised at our uncharacteristically poor performance developing talent there. We've usually been rock solid at this, and it kind of stuns me that Worldis is probably not long for this league. But yeah, we need to address this position pretty quick, ad James Harrison's games are numbered and Woodley is increasingly becoming invisible, too.

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« Reply #25 on: Nov 25, 2012 at 18:53 »

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As as matter of policy I would never draft a RB in round 1.  Too much risk, shelf life too short, and I think that's one of the easier positions to fill with young and hungry guys if you build a top tier O line.
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« Reply #26 on: Nov 25, 2012 at 19:27 »

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As as matter of policy I would never draft a RB in round 1.  Too much risk, shelf life too short, and I think that's one of the easier positions to fill with young and hungry guys if you build a top tier O line.

Yeah, unless it's AP or suchlike talent.
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« Reply #27 on: Nov 25, 2012 at 19:36 »

I honestly thought we had a chance to win with BFL last week and was confident that Batch could dial in a win today. Clearly, we have no real backup QB anymore.

Mendenhall...I'd rather not see him on the field again this year.

Wallace...won't miss him either. That flag Plax got in the EZ would never have been thrown for #17, because he quits on any ball that is not on the money.

Not that he caused any of the offense's TOs, but Jesus Ike...just catch that shit and take the pick six.
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« Reply #28 on: Nov 25, 2012 at 21:38 »



Not that he caused any of the offense's TOs, but Jesus Ike...just catch that shit and take the pick six.

This fucking drives me nuts...why can't dude catch a fucking ball?
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« Reply #29 on: Nov 26, 2012 at 10:17 »

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« Reply #30 on: Nov 26, 2012 at 10:49 »

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Wallace sucks, can't believe he wanted the big $$, he does nothing to deserve that. Boot him out at the end of the season.
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« Reply #31 on: Nov 26, 2012 at 11:05 »

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/holmgren-goes-out-a-winner-663666/

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« Reply #32 on: Nov 26, 2012 at 13:25 »



It's like this win was his whole reason for living.  He's been pissing blood since the XL loss, and as a coach/GM versus the Steelers since he's been 0-5 by a combined 117-31. 

Yay for you, fuckhead.
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« Reply #33 on: Nov 26, 2012 at 16:37 »

Offensive gameplan was the worst I've seen all year.  Don't know whose bright idea it was to try to run/run/pass/punt our way through this one early on.  Guess the recent success of the ground game led them to mistakenly believe that they can just line up and run it at will. 

Starting an elderly, but capable QB, you'd think they would do everything they could to help him out.  That basically boils down to keeping him out of obvious passing situations.  Passing on 1st?  Shotgun to give him an extra second to avoid rush?  PAP?  Batch can make the throws, but not when the defense knows it's coming.  Defense was practically wired into the huddle.  By the time they got around to doing a little of that, it was too late.  Miller could've had 15 receptions yesterday.  And even when they had a little success, whoever was carrying it couldn't gack it up fast enough.  Somebody needs to check the ball bin.  Pretty sure that a Cleveland ball boy slathered the inside of it with lube.

Mendenhall.  Yeah, whatever.  Redman and Dwyer are obviously taking their approach to ball security from #34.  I give a pass to Rainey cuz he got "Jacked UP!"  Wallace.  An absolute joke.  Make an effort to catch the rock, FFS.  If he made a play on two balls, he's likely getting a PI call against the defender.  Unfortunately, this isn't anything new.  As Oat mentioned, if the ball isn't served up on a silver platter to him, he acts as if it's been dipped in a bowl of week old vomit.  GL in FA, pussfag.

Defense was stellar, but I'd still like to see a better push from the front and a more consistent, in-yo-face pass rush wouldn't hurt either.  Harrison is several steps slow; average OTs are neutralizing him single handed.  Hood manages a 50" vert during his workouts, but can't seem to get to the QB unless a fat assed O-lineman misses his assignment or trips over his own feet.
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« Reply #34 on: Nov 26, 2012 at 17:57 »

Again, glad in a way it wasn't showed here (some shit movie; NFL rules), but got the gist just by seeing the D&D updates on 212 as I perused the Sunday.  Plenty of cursing, fleshed out the narrative from various accounts online and post-game, radio.  As someone on the latter commented, almost as though they expect to don the B&G and be handed the win. 

Too bad we don't practice ball security.  Not that (Oakland) this was an issue, even in-season.  The Wheel-O'-RBs approach, sheer brilliance.  No gets more from less less from more than MT, as another poster elsewhere noted.  Adjustments are glacial, season-long, which might mean end of season will be some fucking kismet of brilliance and health.  I'll wait to hold my breath.
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« Reply #35 on: Nov 27, 2012 at 08:49 »

Dwyer and Redman are one-dimensional, between-the-tackles runners, and that's gonna catch up to them eventually, when they are the only options. I think Redman's NFL career is just about over. I truly expected he was going to claim the RB job this year, pound out 1300 yards, and run Mendy out of town. But I think we've learned about his ceiling this season.

Dwyer is a good back, but I don't think he'll ever be #1 material. Maybe 1A. Pair him with a guy who can get outside, and he could be a good 12-carry-per-game back.

Mendenhall should be given the boot. Wouldn't bother me if they cut him now, honestly.

Rainey should get another year to see if he can develop into a 3rd-down back, but I don't think he's the guy to pair with Rainey.

Wallace has alligator arms and is, basically, a pussy. I hesitate to call any NFL player a wimp, but he collapses under the threat of contact more than any other player in the league, far as I can tell. Hell, our kicker showed more toughness on the fake FG attempt in NY than Wallace has shown on any play over the last two years. He's gone after this year.

Bottom line: our skill position talent is thin and needs some new talent.
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« Reply #36 on: Nov 27, 2012 at 09:54 »

Pretty much agree with your last couple of posts, Manimal.  Totally agree, actually.

I loved the Mendenhall pick at the time, saw great upside with the guy.  Four years later and he's still upside, while the Ray Rices of the league are kicking out the jams.  Well, fuck, sometimes you lose.   Dwyer would make a nice 1a, and Rainey a COP/KR guy, but I think we go back to the well.  Not interested in going R1 again though, just don't see an AP/can't miss kind of back.  Not even a Trent Richardson kinda back.  A few interesting runners, but value is a must.

Wallace showed me a lot this season.  Lot of nothing.  Some team will be glad to overspend on him.  Willing to getcomp value for him and Mendy.

Bottom line:  our skill position talent is thin and needs some fresh blood AND our D-side talent is thin and old.
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« Reply #37 on: Nov 27, 2012 at 11:53 »

Wallace has alligator arms and is, basically, a pussy. I hesitate to call any NFL player a wimp, but he collapses under the threat of contact more than any other player in the league, far as I can tell. Hell, our kicker showed more toughness on the fake FG attempt in NY than Wallace has shown on any play over the last two years. He's gone after this year.

Compared to Wallace, Deion Sanders was tough as nails.
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« Reply #38 on: Nov 27, 2012 at 12:13 »

 Dwyer would make a nice 1a, and Rainey a COP/KR guy, but I think we go back to the well.  Not interested in going R1 again though, just don't see an AP/can't miss kind of back. 

Had my eye on Marcus Lattimore, but, uh, his career is kind of over now.

I think Ray Graham could be good value in late round 2; be interested to see how Montee Ball is valued, though the stench of Ron Dayne may be there.  It is a meh year for RB's. 
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« Reply #39 on: Nov 27, 2012 at 18:13 »

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If he came out this year might be worth a late rounder just to put him on IR and see if he has a McGahee type recovery in a couple years.
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« Reply #40 on: Nov 28, 2012 at 08:18 »

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If he came out this year might be worth a late rounder just to put him on IR and see if he has a McGahee type recovery in a couple years.

I'd be totally cool with that.  Especially given the "quality" of late-rounders Colbert usually gets.
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« Reply #41 on: Nov 28, 2012 at 10:43 »

I'm also done with Mendenhall.  Even if he were to turn it around and run great, do you really feel confident handing him the ball late in an important game?  I wouldn't.  Plus I like what I've seen from Dwyer so far.

I'm sorry things worked out like this with Wallace, but no way he gets big money from the Roonies.
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« Reply #42 on: Nov 28, 2012 at 11:23 »

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What's the worst that could happen?

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