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« on: Dec 23, 2012 at 15:16 »

It kinda goes like this dudes....

Big Ben  "Coach Haley I know you just called a run play up the middle but they showing run defense, can I call audible and go pass?"

Coach Haley  "You do what I say to do Ben.  The Steelers hired me for a reason and that's to average 8 points a game this year!"
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« Reply #1 on: Dec 23, 2012 at 15:30 »

3rd and less than a yard from the 9, and he calls an empty set and puts Ben in the shotgun.

Then of course comes the missed FG...
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« Reply #2 on: Dec 23, 2012 at 15:55 »

It's not Haley, IMO. For the most part, I like the type of offense he's running. It's easy to pick out a few play here and there, but the major issues we've had are clock/ball management, going for it on 4th and 1 at the 50, but not going for 4th and 1 inside the redzone, punting when we should kick FG's, and kicking FG's when we should be punting, etc... Additionally, Ben CANNOT close out a game anymore. Not this season anyway. Too many mental errors (AB in nearly each of the past 5 games), and of course the turnovers which lead to defensive points. Ben is responsible for 10 of the Bengals points today. The team lost it's fire. We've been in position to win nearly every game we lost this season; the mistakes weren't in the offensive play-calling, but in players not executing, and Tomlin playing situational football poorly. Throw in BB's indifference, and we have the season we had.
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« Reply #3 on: Dec 23, 2012 at 16:07 »

It's not Haley, IMO. For the most part, I like the type of offense he's running. It's easy to pick out a few play here and there, but the major issues we've had are clock/ball management, going for it on 4th and 1 at the 50, but not going for 4th and 1 inside the redzone, punting when we should kick FG's, and kicking FG's when we should be punting, etc... Additionally, Ben CANNOT close out a game anymore. Not this season anyway. Too many mental errors (AB in nearly each of the past 5 games), and of course the turnovers which lead to defensive points. Ben is responsible for 10 of the Bengals points today. The team lost it's fire. We've been in position to win nearly every game we lost this season; the mistakes weren't in the offensive play-calling, but in players not executing, and Tomlin playing situational football poorly. Throw in BB's indifference, and we have the season we had.

I agree, Haley's offense has been a welcome change after the atrocity that was Arians.  It's the players and their lack of execution.  Dumb players make stupid mistakes.
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« Reply #4 on: Dec 23, 2012 at 20:03 »

How about Ben routinely taking multiple sacks (as he did on our first drive of the 2nd half today against Cincy) that take us out of field goal range in a close game?

How about an issue few people are recognizing: our receivers are shit. Wallace is clearly playing not to get hurt, and Brown would be a great complement to an elite receiver. Sanders is meh. I think Ben's poor play in the clutch this season is more a reflection of the fact that we flat out lack playmakers -- or even guys who can get open -- at receiver.
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« Reply #5 on: Dec 23, 2012 at 20:32 »

Worst part of the day was losing Heath.  The MVP on O this year and the only guy who brought it every week.

I lost hope for the Steelers after the Browns game
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« Reply #6 on: Dec 23, 2012 at 21:06 »

This season felt like something out of 1985 or 1986 to me. Not good.
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« Reply #7 on: Dec 23, 2012 at 21:17 »

I thought the season ended early last year.  This is ridiculous!  I wouldn't mind, at all, if they let Tomlin go after this season.  His in-game management has gotten progressively worse dating back to last season.  I know it won't happen but I have no faith in him going forward.
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« Reply #8 on: Dec 24, 2012 at 08:57 »

How about Ben routinely taking multiple sacks (as he did on our first drive of the 2nd half today against Cincy) that take us out of field goal range in a close game?

How about an issue few people are recognizing: our receivers are shit. Wallace is clearly playing not to get hurt, and Brown would be a great complement to an elite receiver. Sanders is meh. I think Ben's poor play in the clutch this season is more a reflection of the fact that we flat out lack playmakers -- or even guys who can get open -- at receiver.

Pain, completely agree. Haley's Offense isn't the problem. How many times did we see Ben under center in BA's offense on 3rd and long, with WR's running 15-20 yard routes to watch Ben to take a sack? I know Ben liked BA, but the NFL is a business and if he doesn't like Todd Haley's Offense, he better learn to like it. Ben was on pace to have an MVP year before his injuries...remember that.

Ben taking those sacks, when Cincy rushes 4 guys is clearly not Ben's fault. Ben almost always has a man hanging off him as soon as he drops back. The problem right now lies with the Offensive Line and lack of production at the WR position. There are multiple needs on our team right now, and if we don't start drafting and hitting on every spot...we are going to see more and more of this production from our team. If we cut Spindenhall, not one player from the 2008 draft class will be on the roster..think about that for a minute. But, we don't need star WR's either. We need a solid offensive line and we need to be able to run the football. Could we PLEASE get a true, blocking FB that can run in the flat and catch a pass or two. Owen Schimdt is available...
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 24, 2012 at 09:46 »

You knew the Steelers were gonna limpdick this game when Cortez Allen gets the pick on Dalton's first pass of the 2H.  PSO comes out and, insufferably, runs this shit for zero fucking points whatsoever:

1-10-CIN32 (14:51) J.Dwyer left guard to CIN 28 for 4 yards (R.Maualuga).
2-6-CIN28 (14:19) J.Dwyer left guard to CIN 29 for -1 yards (M.Johnson, D.Peko).
3-7-CIN29 (13:37) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger sacked at CIN 37 for -8 yards (sack split by C.Dunlap and G.Atkins).
4-15-CIN37 (13:24) (Punt formation) D.Butler punts 37 yards to end zone, Center-G.Warren, Touchback.

Run, run, sack, punt.  Hooray, we moved the ball net 17.  That's some seriously pusillanimous bullshit.

Stats:  CBO had 14 total yards rushing (avg. 0.9 per), PSD got 2 picks and a fumble recovery, and miracle of miracles PSD racks up 6 sacks.  And still we lose this fucking atrocity 10-13.  Something fundamentally wrong with that.  It's like unwrapping a Christmas gift and then taking a hot steamy dump on it. 
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« Reply #10 on: Dec 24, 2012 at 10:15 »

I'm not saying Haley is the best O coordinator we could possibly have; I'm saying that more often than not we won the TOP, and we were in every game. If not for stupid turnovers and terrible execution by our offense as a whole, we are tops in the division. If our players execute the game-plan without the mental fuck-ups, we are 12-4 or 13-3. IMO, Tomlin has made more troublesome errors in coaching than Haley. This team came out of the gate undisciplined, racking up penalty yards for their opponents. Even the stupid 3-headed monster at RB cannot be laid at Haley's feet. He clearly stated in several interviews that the decision at RB from game to game was Tomlin's. We did not have many "explosive" plays on offense this year, and I believe that might be the reason people are equating our poor production with Haley. Truth is, we were in every game except one or two. Ben went the way of Tiger Woods after he hung up his DTF Radar, our Defense, while still very good, IS getting older and our lack of pass rush (other than this game) is evidence of that. Our WR's give up, drop balls, both in the act of catching it and after they make a football move, and make terrible fundamental mistakes. Our RB's are all too inconsistent (not to mention susceptible to the dropsies). Our offensive line is still shit (how many years now?). Heath, as I'm sure most of you would agree, was our single shining spot on Offense and we can all thank Haley for that. Haley utilizes our weapons properly, it's simply that our weapons aren't producing. Why we were running a play with 20, or whatever fucking seconds left on the clock from our own 29 yard line is beyond me. Maybe that's on Haley; but I would think that's again, Tomlin's call...

To make a long story short; I don't envision our offense being very similar to that of the Pasties. Accordingly, I don't think we should be blowing teams out by 30 points each week. We did everything we needed to win most games this season, except execute the plays that were called when they needed to be made the most.
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« Reply #11 on: Dec 24, 2012 at 16:41 »

Did teams adjust to Haley's offense though?  Maybe by playing more zone, taking the rythym out of the passing game?  I know the offense looked like it was about the break out before Bens injury, but I saw alot of the same sandlot Arians bullshit, with Ben getting his ass planted regularly over the last few games.

I guess I was more excited thinking that Haley was bringing his Arizona offense here instead of his Kansas City offense. 

Regardless, maybe with a whole offseason they can get on the same page.  I don't see Haley getting fired regardless.
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« Reply #12 on: Dec 27, 2012 at 12:24 »

And, I don't know how it's possible, but that asshat BA has his team in the playoffs.  He is the luckiest dumfuk on the planet.
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« Reply #13 on: Jan 01, 2013 at 03:36 »

Bring back Wisenhunt no reason to keep Haley around he's a loser.  Imagine not having one of the best defenses in the league and QB.  Haley would be lucky to average 9 points a game with any other team.  The putz doesn't allow Big Ben to call audibles when the defense is showing coverage to for the play sent in.

No more Haley period. Boring, predictable type coach who needs to go to Chicago to run an offense there scoring field goals and 9 points a game.
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« Reply #14 on: Jan 01, 2013 at 12:37 »

No way Wiz comes back and works for the guy the organization chose over him, IMO. We can agree to disagree on Haley, but I contend that it wasn't his fault the offense and special teams couldn't keep from turning the ball over at the most inopportune times. If anyone thinks we can or should have an offense that blows out teams, then we need to focus our sights on stealing Beardy and Bellycheat from the Patsies.

The only difference between this offense and that of years past, is that in years past they converted the big plays to seal the games when they needed to. This year, that magic was not there. I don't ever recall having an offense that puts up 35 a game, under any O.C. That's just not the way we've ever won games consistently. We haven't had a 10 point Margin of Victory in any season since '78, (that's like 1 season in 35 years) according to pro-football-reference.com. Conversely, the Patriots have had 5 seasons where they have had a 10+ point MOV since '04 (that's like 5 seasons in 9 years). My point is, our offense has never been asked to win games solely; only to close out games when they have the chance. I saw Haley put us in those positions this year and I saw the players fail at converting.

This season, they could not do it; mostly due to inopportune turnovers. 2010 was our best year under Arians with 8.9 MOV, in a year where Mendy still gave a shit, (1200+ yards), and Wallace exploded on the scene (1200+ yards), and Harrison was still dumping QB's on their heads (10.5 sacks and 100 tackles, 70 solo/30 asst and 6 FF's), arguably the best overall years for all 3.  This team is clearly not THAT team, although inopportune turnovers probably cost us the SB win against the Pack that year.

Either way, I'm not going to defend Haley anymore on the forums, as I don't think he's in any jeopardy of losing his job. I just didn't see what others saw this year in regard to the play-calling. Most of the plays we lost games on were plays that would have been easily converted if the players just did their job. 
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« Reply #15 on: Jan 01, 2013 at 13:28 »

I just didn't see what others saw this year in regard to the play-calling. Most of the plays we lost games on were plays that would have been easily converted if the players just did their job. 

Yeah.  He passed the eyeball test.  The woes are strictly on the players, their lack of execution and their lack of brains.  The WRs lost something when Ward retired, the standard that is the standard is a lower standard.  Ward played with a chip on his shoulder each and every game.  Wallace expects everything to be handed to him, and *then* he'll play if he feels like it.  Hopefully he's out before that cancer spreads to Brown and Sanders.  They need another hard-nosed guy at the position, just a guy that brings it play after play, knows where to be, knows situational football, etc.

They get the OL in order, guys healed and a consistent 5 or 6 in the lineup, that will help the running game.  They get some WRs with balls and desire, that fixes the passing game.  Then BR needs to buy into the offense and quit whining about how things are different.  Buy in, be a team player, you know - a leader? 

Another off season in the system, Haley will better know how to tailor the scheme for his guys, watch out next year.  That should be the plan, anyways.

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« Reply #16 on: Jan 01, 2013 at 14:34 »

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This season, they could not do it; mostly due to inopportune turnovers. 2010 was our best year under Arians with 8.9 MOV, in a year where Mendy still gave a shit, (1200+ yards), and Wallace exploded on the scene (1200+ yards), and Harrison was still dumping QB's on their heads (10.5 sacks and 100 tackles, 70 solo/30 asst and 6 FF's), arguably the best overall years for all 3.  This team is clearly not THAT team, although inopportune turnovers probably cost us the SB win against the Pack that year.

Either way, I'm not going to defend Haley anymore on the forums, as I don't think he's in any jeopardy of losing his job. I just didn't see what others saw this year in regard to the play-calling. Most of the plays we lost games on were plays that would have been easily converted if the players just did their job.

Very well said.
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« Reply #17 on: Jan 01, 2013 at 17:42 »

I think Haley sticks, and we need to add a real playmaker WR.  Better value at OLB/S early, but could see us getting some good value R2 onward.  Just need consistency and players to make the damn plays.

It's a passing league.  You can't just have a one go-to guy.  You can't just have a passel of "OK" hands.  You need multiple threats.  How many guys cleared 500, 750, 1000 yards this season?

Denver: D. Thomas - 1434, E. Decker - 1064, J. Tamme - 555, B. Stokley - 544
Atlanta: R. White - 1351, J. Jones - 1198, T. Gonzalez - 930
Indianapolis: R. Wayne - 1355, TY Hilton - 861, D. Avery - 781, D. Allen - 581
NE: W. Welker - 1354, B. Lloyd - 911, R. Gronkowski - 790
Green Bay: Cobb - 954, J. Jones - 784, J. Nelson - 745, J. Finley - 667
Pittsburgh: M. Wallace - 836, H. Miller - 816, A. Brown - 787, E. Sanders - 626
Houston: A. Johnson - 1598, O. Daniels - 716, K. Walter - 518
Cincinnati: AJ Green - 1350, J. Gresham - 737, A. Hawkins - 533
Baltimore: A. Boldin - 921, T. Smith - 855, D. Pitta - 669
Washington: P. Garcon - 633, S. Moss - 573, L. Hankerson - 543, J. Morgan - 510
SF: M. Crabtree - 1105, V. Davis - 548
Seattle: S. Rice - 748, G. Tate - 688
Minnesota: P. Harvin - 677

JUst kinda eyeballed those rankings.  Steelers clearly have a diversified attack.  Get a WR1 who's pushing well over 1000 per year and get better results from AB and Sanders.

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« Reply #18 on: Jan 01, 2013 at 18:08 »

I am biased towards Clemson but Deandre Hopkins was great this season and had a he'll of a game last night.   At this point, mentioned to be a second round prospect.  Combine and Pro Day can change that.
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« Reply #19 on: Jan 03, 2013 at 12:46 »

Might not be any need to fire Haley...

If he goes, who do we bring in or promote?
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« Reply #20 on: Jan 03, 2013 at 13:12 »

Whoever it is, Ben will bitch about it.
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« Reply #21 on: Jan 03, 2013 at 15:06 »

Whoever it is, Ben will bitch about it.

I for one am tired of people bitchin' about Ben's bitchin'.

Stop being the drama queen, Penso.
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« Reply #22 on: Jan 03, 2013 at 16:36 »

I typed that post with my broken toes and cracked ribs.
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« Reply #23 on: Jan 03, 2013 at 20:38 »

I typed that post with my broken toes and cracked ribs.

How's your aorta?
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« Reply #24 on: Jan 03, 2013 at 21:36 »

I typed that post with my broken toes and cracked ribs.

How's your aorta?

Practically punctured, man.
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« Reply #25 on: Jan 04, 2013 at 05:36 »

Might not be any need to fire Haley...

If he goes, who do we bring in or promote?


Not sure who it should be but it will be Kirby Wilson.
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« Reply #26 on: Jan 04, 2013 at 08:32 »

Might not be any need to fire Haley...

If he goes, who do we bring in or promote?


Not sure who it should be but it will be Kirby Wilson.


Wilson would certainly light a fire under their asses and the players would be fired up to play for him.
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« Reply #27 on: Jan 04, 2013 at 09:46 »

Might not be any need to fire Haley...

If he goes, who do we bring in or promote?


Not sure who it should be but it will be Kirby Wilson.


Wilson would certainly light a fire under their asses and the players would be fired up to play for him.


That's a hot opinion.
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« Reply #28 on: Jan 04, 2013 at 09:48 »

Might not be any need to fire Haley...

If he goes, who do we bring in or promote?


Not sure who it should be but it will be Kirby Wilson.


Wilson would certainly light a fire under their asses and the players would be fired up to play for him.


That's a hot opinion.


And Kirby would certainly spark further conversation!
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« Reply #29 on: Jan 04, 2013 at 10:04 »

Not so fast...

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The Steelers can’t block Haley from taking the interview, but Haley can turn down the opportunity himself. According to Ed Werder of ESPN, Haley might wind up doing just that.

Per Werder, Haley has yet to agree to the interview because “he loves working for” the Steelers. It was a rocky first year for Haley in the role as he and quarterback Ben Roethlisberger never quite seemed to see eye to eye on the best way to run the offense.

Haley had a positive experience coordinating an offense run by Kurt Warner in Arizona before a somewhat less positive experience as the head coach of a Kansas City team quarterbacked by Matt Cassel. Given that, you can understand reticence about leaping into a muddled, to put it mildly, quarterback situation in Arizona even if things weren’t all that smooth in Pittsburgh.
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« Reply #30 on: Jan 04, 2013 at 10:06 »

Might not be any need to fire Haley...

If he goes, who do we bring in or promote?


Not sure who it should be but it will be Kirby Wilson.


Wilson would certainly light a fire under their asses and the players would be fired up to play for him.


That's a hot opinion.


And Kirby would certainly spark further conversation!



Might not be any need to fire Haley...

If he goes, who do we bring in or promote?


Not sure who it should be but it will be Kirby Wilson.


Wilson would certainly light a fire under their asses and the players would be fired up to play for him.


That's a hot opinion.



Might not be any need to fire Haley...

If he goes, who do we bring in or promote?


Not sure who it should be but it will be Kirby Wilson.


Wilson would certainly light a fire under their asses and the players would be fired up to play for him.


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« Reply #31 on: Jan 04, 2013 at 14:17 »

I heard the interview process was tough; they really put you through the third degree.

I think the offense would play like a house of fire under Wilson.

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« Reply #32 on: Jan 04, 2013 at 14:28 »

Is Norv Burner still available?
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« Reply #33 on: Jan 04, 2013 at 15:13 »

Is Norv Burner still available?


Don't get a boner thinking about Norv, Otis.  Here, this should help...

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« Reply #34 on: Jan 04, 2013 at 15:23 »

Finny goes to the vault for that one!

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