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« Reply #60 on: Apr 11, 2013 at 12:01 »

I want Ansah.  No way in hell he reaches 1.17.
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« Reply #61 on: Apr 11, 2013 at 12:47 »

I want Ansah.  No way in hell he reaches 1.17.

I tend to agree, top 10 most likely.  Another JPP?  We'll see.

The 23 invitees to the NFL draft confirm (somewhat) my top 17 players list.  Here’s the invitees and my rankings in parentheses, with notes:

BYU DE Ezekiel Ansah (9)
West Virginia WR Tavon Austin (6)
North Carolina G Jonathan Cooper (3)
Central Michigan OT Eric Fisher (2)
Florida DT Sharrif Floyd (N/A) – I do not have any 3-4 DEs in my R1 picks.  This is based entirely on positional value.
Alabama OT D.J. Fluker (N/A) – I think Fluker is getting way over-rated by virtue of being a member of a talented Bama line.  I see him as RT only, R3 value.
Texas A&M OT Luke Joeckel (1)
Oklahoma OT Lane Johnson (4)
Oregon DE Dion Jordan (7)
Alabama RB Eddie Lacy (N/A) – Based on Lacy’s workouts today, (4.58, 4.62), it looks like his hamstring injury is not an issue.  I put him in the 1c/2a value range.
Florida State QB E.J. Manuel (N/A) – Manuel has some upside, but not R1 value.  I think his value might be 2c-3c.
Alabama CB Dee Milliner (11)
LSU DE Barkevious Mingo (N/A) – Don’t see Mingo as a fit here.  4-3 edge rusher.
Tennessee WR Cordarrelle Patterson (13)
LSU S Eric Reid (N/A) – Not a R1 value, and not even in my top 5 safeties.  Way too inconsistent.  R3.  
Florida State CB Xavier Rhodes. (12)
Missouri DT Sheldon Richardson (N/A) – See Sharif Floyd notes.
West Virginia QB Geno Smith (N/A) – Smith is a tough read, with some intriguing skills, but not a R1 value IMO.  He might be a 2b-3b sort of guy.
Washington CB Desmond Trufant (14)
Texas S Kenny Vaccaro (N/A) – R2.  As I’ve said, I like Shamarko Thomas and Matt Elam better.
Alabama G Chance Warmack (5)
Florida State OT Menelik Watson (N/A) – Intriguing developmental player, not anywhere near a R1 value right now.  I haven’t done a thorough critique of OTs but might put him 2c-3c.
Florida State DE Bjoern Werner (N/A) – Werner’s out of my top 17, but I’d look at him as a trade back in R1.

Players in my top 17 not invited:

8. Utah NT Star Lotulelei.  Health concerns allayed, Star is back in top 10, if not top 5, consideration.  Would be our next Casey Hampton, but could slide to DE, or play in the occasional 40 front.  There are a lot of solid DTs who will fit in the 4-3, but only 2 I like this year as 3-4 NTs.  (The other is Missouri Southern's Brandon Williams, generally seen as a R3 value, but someone I have as a late R1.)
10.  Mississippi St. CB Johnthan Banks.  Physical ballhawk whose tape puts him in the conversation for top 15.  Rebounding from knee injury, appears to have his speed back.  Most pundits have him R2, a round too low.
15. Clemson WR Deandre Hopkins.  I’ll stand by my assessment of Hopkins as a mid-R1 talent.  I’ve read player comparisons to Reggie Wayne and Greg Jennings.  I think the Jennings fit sounds about right.
16. Kansas St. ILB Arthur Brown. Not enamored of the other ILBs mentioned as R1 prospects (Minter, Ogletree, Te’o).  Brown has the speed, productivity, on-field smarts and leadership to be the captain of the front 7.  Most pundits have him going in the 20-40 range, so top 17 isn’t as crazy as it may seem.
17. Cal WR Keenan Allen.  Before the knee injury, Keenan Allen is a top 10 pick.  He comes back, runs a 4.70, looks great in drills, and people are dropping him to R2.  That’s nuts.  Read a pretty good writeup on Allen that compared him to Jimmy Smith, and that seems apt.  Anyone who obsesses over 2/10 of a second for a guy rounding back to form is lost in the clouds.  Might not be a full season contributor, but he’s no Limas Sweed, either.

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« Reply #62 on: Apr 11, 2013 at 14:32 »

From one of the dudes at walterfootball.com, these are some of the guys that have met with Pittsburgh brass.

Ezekiel Ansah, DL, BYU (COM)
Montee Ball, RB, Wisconsin (COM)
Le'Veon Bell, RB, Michigan State (PRI)
Tyler Bray, QB, Tennessee (PRO)
Arthur Brown, LB, Kansas State (PRI)
Marvin Burdette, ILB, UAB (VINT)
Anthony Capasso, WR, Ashland (PRO)
Jonathan Cooper, G, North Carolina (COM)
Jordan Hill, DL, Penn State (COM)
Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma (COM)
Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma (PRO)
Michael Mauti, LB, Penn State (COM)
Ryan Griffin, QB, Tulane (PRI)
Dion Sims, TE, Steelers (PRI)
Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia (COM)
Kenny Vaccaro, S, Texas (COM)
Robert Woods, WR, USC (COM)

SR - Senior Bowl meeting.
EW - East-West Shrine meeting.
COM - Combine meeting.
INT - Interested.
VINT - Very Interested.
PRO - Pro Day meeting.
PRI - Private Workout.

UPDATED LIST:


Ezekiel Ansah, DL, BYU (COM)
Montee Ball, RB, Wisconsin (COM)
Le'Veon Bell, RB, Michigan State (PRI)
Josh Boyce, WR, TCU (PRI)
Tyler Bray, QB, Tennessee (PRO)
Arthur Brown, LB, Kansas State (PRI)
Marvin Burdette, ILB, UAB (VINT)
Anthony Capasso, WR, Ashland (PRO)
Jamie Collins, LB, Southern Miss (PRI)
Jonathan Cooper, OL, North Carolina (COM)
Will Davis, DB, Utah State (PRI)
Nick Embernete, OL, San Diego State (PRI)
Johnathan Franklin, RB, UCLA (PRI)
Malliciah Goodman, DL, Clemson (PRI)
Khaseem Greene, LB, Rutgers (PRI)
Ryan Griffin, QB, Tulane (PRI)
Jordan Hill, DL, Penn State (COM)
Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma (COM)
Jarvis Jones, LB, Georgia (PRI)
Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma (PRO)
Michael Mauti%, LB, Penn State (PRO) (COM)
Jonathan Meeks, DB, Clemson (PRI)
Christine Michael, RB, Texas A&M (PRI)
Keavon Milton, TE, Louisiana-Monroe (PRI)
Sio Moore, LB, Connecticut (PRI)
Alex Okafor, DL, Texas (PRO)
Dion Sims, TE, Steelers (PRI)
Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia (COM)
Shamarko Thomas, DB, Syracuse (PRI)
Phillip Thomas, DB, Fresno State (PRI)
Kenny Vaccaro, DB, Texas (COM)
Blidi Wreh-Wilson, DB, Connecticut (PRI)
Duke Williams, DB, Nevada (PRI)
Robert Woods, WR, USC (COM)


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« Reply #63 on: Apr 11, 2013 at 15:02 »

Of the visits, I’d tier them this way.  (Not in order within each tier.)

R1 guys:

Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma (COM)
Jonathan Cooper, OL, North Carolina (COM)
Ezekiel Ansah, DL, BYU (COM)
Arthur Brown, LB, Kansas State (PRI)

R2-3 guys:

Shamarko Thomas, DB, Syracuse (PRI) 
Jarvis Jones, LB, Georgia (PRI)
Phillip Thomas, DB, Fresno State (PRI)
Johnathan Franklin, RB, UCLA (PRI)
Kenny Vaccaro, DB, Texas (COM)
Jamie Collins, LB, Southern Miss (PRI)
Khaseem Greene, LB, Rutgers (PRI)
Montee Ball, RB, Wisconsin (COM)
Le'Veon Bell, RB, Michigan State (PRI)
Christine Michael, RB, Texas A&M (PRI)
Sio Moore, LB, Connecticut (PRI)
Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia (COM)
Alex Okafor, DL, Texas (PRO)
Robert Woods, WR, USC (COM)

R4-7 guys:

Duke Williams, DB, Nevada (PRI)
Michael Mauti%, LB, Penn State (PRO) (COM)
Blidi Wreh-Wilson, DB, Connecticut (PRI)
Will Davis, DB, Utah State (PRI)
Dion Sims, TE, Steelers (PRI)
Ryan Griffin, QB, Tulane (PRI)


Guys who don’t fit or I don’t have enough info on:

Josh Boyce, WR, TCU (PRI)
Tyler Bray, QB, Tennessee (PRO)
Marvin Burdette, ILB, UAB (VINT)
Anthony Capasso, WR, Ashland (PRO)
Nick Embernete, OL, San Diego State (PRI)
Malliciah Goodman, DL, Clemson (PRI)
Jordan Hill, DL, Penn State (COM)
Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma (PRO)
Jonathan Meeks, DB, Clemson (PRI)
Keavon Milton, TE, Louisiana-Monroe (PRI)
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« Reply #64 on: Apr 11, 2013 at 15:17 »

Bjorn Werner tumbling down the board from when I last looked in late Feb.  wasn't Penso in on him Y2's obligatory Noles pump?

The more I look at some of the pass rushers mocked at the top of the draft (Jarvis Jones, Bjoern Werner, Damontre Moore), the less I like them as a R1 pick.  I'm still on board with Dion Jordan and Ziggy Ansah, but I don't think Jones is a fit at OLB for us, I don't see Werner as anything special as a 3-4 OLB, and Moore IMO would be a fail there.  I don't see any of them having the sand at the POA, or the quickness to get off as a pass rusher in the 3-4.

I think Werner's gonna grow some "sand", and certainly learn a ton early on in his career.  Not sure if we need a development project or not at this stage, though.  And I was thinking of him at the time as a potential replacement for A. Smith.
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« Reply #65 on: Apr 11, 2013 at 16:03 »

I could see Werner learning OLB.  DE?  Aaron Smith was 6'5" 275# coming out of N. Colo.  Werner's 6'3" 266#.  I dunno.  When I'm looking for DE's, nowadays I'm looking closer to 3 bills.
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« Reply #66 on: Apr 11, 2013 at 21:22 »

I could see Werner learning OLB.  DE?  Aaron Smith was 6'5" 275# coming out of N. Colo.  Werner's 6'3" 266#.  I dunno.  When I'm looking for DE's, nowadays I'm looking closer to 3 bills.

From what I saw of Werner, his best work was done positionally and in the dirt.  Just saying, he's been playing for what, 3 years? 4 years?  Get him into the program is what I say.  He passes the eye test, IMO.

It's moot anyway.  No way we go DL again, unless it's at nose.
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« Reply #67 on: Apr 12, 2013 at 07:50 »

Of the visits, I’d tier them this way.  (Not in order within each tier.)

R1 guys:

Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma (COM)
Jonathan Cooper, OL, North Carolina (COM)
Ezekiel Ansah, DL, BYU (COM)
Arthur Brown, LB, Kansas State (PRI)

R2-3 guys:

Shamarko Thomas, DB, Syracuse (PRI) 
Jarvis Jones, LB, Georgia (PRI)
Phillip Thomas, DB, Fresno State (PRI)
Johnathan Franklin, RB, UCLA (PRI)
Kenny Vaccaro, DB, Texas (COM)
Jamie Collins, LB, Southern Miss (PRI)
Khaseem Greene, LB, Rutgers (PRI)
Montee Ball, RB, Wisconsin (COM)
Le'Veon Bell, RB, Michigan State (PRI)
Christine Michael, RB, Texas A&M (PRI)
Sio Moore, LB, Connecticut (PRI)
Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia (COM)
Alex Okafor, DL, Texas (PRO)
Robert Woods, WR, USC (COM)

R4-7 guys:

Duke Williams, DB, Nevada (PRI)
Michael Mauti%, LB, Penn State (PRO) (COM)
Blidi Wreh-Wilson, DB, Connecticut (PRI)
Will Davis, DB, Utah State (PRI)
Dion Sims, TE, Steelers (PRI)
Ryan Griffin, QB, Tulane (PRI)


Guys who don’t fit or I don’t have enough info on:

Josh Boyce, WR, TCU (PRI)
Tyler Bray, QB, Tennessee (PRO)
Marvin Burdette, ILB, UAB (VINT)
Anthony Capasso, WR, Ashland (PRO)
Nick Embernete, OL, San Diego State (PRI)
Malliciah Goodman, DL, Clemson (PRI)
Jordan Hill, DL, Penn State (COM)
Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma (PRO)
Jonathan Meeks, DB, Clemson (PRI)
Keavon Milton, TE, Louisiana-Monroe (PRI)


Interesting number and type of R1 quality players.  Based on what I've read, I guess you could throw Vaccaro and Jarvis Jones into the mix too.  Still, that's only 6 guys that project to the first round and two of them are O-line; a position I'd put pretty far down the priority list for the first year in I don't remember how long.

Makes me think that they've already got their R1 guy and he won't come from the list of interviewees unless somebody projected higher (e.g. Ansah) slips to them.
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« Reply #68 on: Apr 12, 2013 at 11:24 »

Interesting number and type of R1 quality players.  Based on what I've read, I guess you could throw Vaccaro and Jarvis Jones into the mix too.  Still, that's only 6 guys that project to the first round and two of them are O-line; a position I'd put pretty far down the priority list for the first year in I don't remember how long.

You could throw KV and JJ into R1; don't think I will.  KV looks solid enough, but not a game-changer.  Not Polamalu, maybe not even a Clark.  But worth a R2.  I'm iffy on Jones (health, work ethic, fit with system).  A R1 for some teams, not ours.

While OL isn't a glaring need, I'm far from convinced they can keep Ben clean, much less healthy, for 16+.  Our OTs have tons of questions, and I really don't buy that either is a franchise LT.  Depth there is also the suck.  We have 2/3 of an almost great IOL (Pouncey, and IMO DeCastro), but getting a guy like Cooper could give us one of the dominant IOLs and perhaps even compensate to some degree for the edge protection.  In fact, Foster could be a solid RT fit, and allow Smoke Adams and Weakass Gilbert to duke it out for LT.  No questions all three top OT are gone by 1.10, much less 1.17, but OL still worries me.

Also think both OG could be gone by 1.17, but as noted variously and often, this year's R1 has a dropoff ~ where we stand, with the latter half the round hardly deserving of the tag R1 talent.  That may fuel the run on Warmack and Cooper early, but IMHFO, both guys (like DDC last year) really are special.  You get the chance to build one of the better lines in the NFL, you take it.
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« Reply #69 on: Apr 13, 2013 at 08:15 »

PSU's Mauti appears healed from the knee injury, could be a value pickup.

Tyrann Mathieu can flunk 10+ drug tests and still get talk as a R3 draft pick.  So why not Josh Jarboe? If he's really turned his shit around, he's worth that R6 comp to get a guy with AJ Green and Julio Jones type talent.

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Steelers | Meeting with three draft prospects
Mon, 08 Apr 2013 10:11:48 -0700

The Pittsburgh Steelers are meeting with Syracuse SS Shamarko Thomas, Utah State CB Will Davis and San Diego State OL Nik Embernate Monday, April 8.


Embernate is a late round OG worth poking at, held his own against Ansah.



Read more: http://www.kffl.com/player/28091/nfl/nik-embernate#ixzz2QLhyd2QT
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