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« Reply #270 on: Apr 28, 2013 at 12:44 »

They are Northwestern defensive end Brian Arnfelt, Northern Illinois linebacker Alan Baxter, San Diego State guard Nik Embernate, Utah wide receiver Reggie Dunn, Penn State offensive tackle Mike Farrell, Notre Dame offensive tackle Mike Golic, Jr., Louisiana-Lafayette defensive end Cordian Hagans, UAB guard Chris Hubbard, Florida defensive tackle Omar Hunter, Hawaii long snapper Luke Ingram , West Virginia center Joe Madsen, USC running back Curtis McNeal, Baylor center Ivory Wade, Michigan State defensive tackle Anthony Rashad White, and West Virginia wide receiver J.D. Woods.


Source?


Here is a link to UDFAs from pft.com

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/27/steelers-15-undrafted-free-agents-include-golics-kid/


Golics son won't stick. Wish we spent a late one on Zeke Motta who seemed to account for every tackle ND made in the BCS championship game.
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« Reply #271 on: Oct 01, 2014 at 15:50 »

Kept my same 17, just re-jiggered the order some.  As of now:

1. Luke Joekel
2. Eric Fisher
3. Jonathan Cooper
4. Lane Johnson
5. Tyvon Austin
6. Chance Warmack
7. Dion Jordan

8. Star Lotulelei
9. Ezekiel Ansah
10. Xavier Rhodes
11. Dee Milliner
12. Johnthan Banks
13. Cordarelle Patterson
14. Deandre Hopkins
15. Desmond Trufant
16. Arthur Brown
17. Keenan Allen

Some good value at CB IMO if Star is gone.  Surprised he's gone this far down.  Some very good players left.  

*Edit:  Star to the Panthers makes sense. Xavier?  Ike can't play forever, always need CBs, big guy who can play outside, physical...?

Just gettin' sentimental over the 2013 R1 draft, and how my list compared to TomBert's.  Should be noted that our CBs are pure shite, and that the top remaining guy on my board, Xav Rhodes, has had 2 solid years back to back.  Allowed 2 completions on 8 attempts last week.  Also saw Banks had a nice PD against the Steelers for the Bucs.  Patterson appears to be a real playmaker for the Vikes, and Hopkins has been super productive, although right now CB is much bigger need in retrospect.

But we took Jones.

Beating the greasy spot where the dead horse used to be, is all.
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« Reply #272 on: Oct 01, 2014 at 18:44 »

In fairness tho'... some of my top 17 picks have not panned.  At all.  Cooper was hurt and is smelling rather like a bust.  Austin is not yet showing much.  Jordan was the subject of trade rumors already.  Ansah has been quiet.  Milliner has been hurt and has been a disappointment.  Still and all, my 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, and 17 picks would have been >> Jarbust.

Arthur Brown?  He done anything worthwhile yet?
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« Reply #273 on: Oct 02, 2014 at 10:59 »

From one of the dudes at walterfootball.com, these are some of the guys that have met with Pittsburgh brass.

Ezekiel Ansah, DL, BYU (COM)
Montee Ball, RB, Wisconsin (COM)
Le'Veon Bell, RB, Michigan State (PRI)
Tyler Bray, QB, Tennessee (PRO)
Arthur Brown, LB, Kansas State (PRI)
Marvin Burdette, ILB, UAB (VINT)
Anthony Capasso, WR, Ashland (PRO)
Jonathan Cooper, G, North Carolina (COM)
Jordan Hill, DL, Penn State (COM)
Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma (COM)
Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma (PRO)
Michael Mauti, LB, Penn State (COM)
Ryan Griffin, QB, Tulane (PRI)
Dion Sims, TE, Steelers (PRI)
Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia (COM)
Kenny Vaccaro, S, Texas (COM)
Robert Woods, WR, USC (COM)

SR - Senior Bowl meeting.
EW - East-West Shrine meeting.
COM - Combine meeting.
INT - Interested.
VINT - Very Interested.
PRO - Pro Day meeting.
PRI - Private Workout.


Of the guys listed, I'm a fan of Ansah, Bell and Brown.  Interestingly, they haven't met with any CBs.

In addition, here's who walters projects the Steelers taking at 1.17 in one of their mocks:

Pittsburgh Steelers: Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia  
Walt said it best in his mock, dumb groupthink will lead to Jones falling to a smart team like the Steelers, Giants or Ravens. The Steelers could use a young play-maker to replace James Harrison and Jones would be a dream come true for Pittsburgh. Sources said the Steelers sent their entire front office contingent to the Georgia pro day including head coach Mike Tomlin.

Jones decided not to work out at the Combine, but that isn't surprising. Scouts at the East-West Shrine told WalterFootball.com that Jones would slide on draft day because they believe he will test poorly before the draft and isn't a hard worker in the weight room. The scouts said that watching the game tape, Jones is worthy of being a top draft pick, but they don't believe he will go that high.

At his pro day, Jones verified what the scouts told us with a 40 time in the 4.9 to 5.0 range. His other drills didn't go well either, but scouts told us he looked better in position drills.

Jones was one of the best pass-rushers in college football in 2011. He tied for the second-most sacks in the nation, 13.5. Jones also had 70 tackles, 19.5 tackles for a loss and two forced fumbles.

The junior was excellent this season. He dominated Missouri, stepping up with huge plays to help lead the Bulldogs to a win. Jones had nine tackles with two sacks, a forced fumble, a pass batted and an interception returned 21 yards to the goal line against the Tigers. He also caused two other forced fumbles that he wasn't given credit for. The turnovers the linebacker created came late in the game and sealed the win for Georgia.

Jones did the same thing to Florida. He totaled 13 tackles, 4.5 tackles for a loss, three sacks, two forced fumbles and one fumble recovery. Jones also made the game-saving play with a forced fumble around the Georgia 5-yard line in the final minutes. It was a tremendous outing that illustrated his ability to make big plays in big games.

Jones is a dynamite pass-rusher. The way he runs down signal-callers in the pocket and flies around the football field is similar to former Texas A&M linebacker Von Miller. Jones' speed and pass-rushing skills make him extremely disruptive. He has a good burst off the edge which takes tackles by surprise and sets them up for him to beat them around the corner or dodge back to the inside.

Jones never takes plays off given his non-stop motor; he gives relentless effort. Jones amassed 85 tackles, 14.5 sacks, 24.5 tackles for a loss, seven forced fumbles, three passes broken up and a pick in 2012. He led the nation in sacks, tackles for a loss and forced fumbles.

The USC transfer fit well in the Georgia defense and looks like an ideal 3-4 outside linebacker for the next level. For a 4-3 defense, he could play in a similar manner to Von Miller. The 6-foot-3, 241-pounder could be the top talent in the 2013 NFL Draft at any position.

Pick change; previously Barkevious Mingo, OLB


*sigh*

*epic facepalm*

Looking back on these can be so painful.  Can't say they weren't on notice, tho.

Yeah, let's draft a guy in R1 that runs a 5.0 40 to be an OLB and rush the passer.

Edit:  Jones ain't in Miller's universe. 

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« Reply #274 on: Oct 02, 2014 at 11:30 »

R2, I think they're fixated on Bell, but I could be wrong.  Need playmakers, and WR has value, so of course they'll hit RB a round or two too early.  Should be WR, RB, S, S, but I'm sure it'll be RB, DE, TE, QB or some shit like that there.

#Finstradamus

Interesting looking back on all concerns with the Bell pick.  Also funny to see that the player they used as the "NFL comparison" is his current backfield battery mate.  Forgot about that.  Just goes to show how much they're not similar.

Other than hating on Jones and liking the Bell and Shamarko selections, the rest of my picks were shit.

Guess I'll be in the minority because I like the pick.  He was a top 3 RB for me, but that was really personal preference as there are probably 3 or 4 guys that most would rank ahead of him.

Could they have drafted him later?  Probably.  A trade back to grab a pick may have been an option, but I suppose it's possible that he was on another team's radar.

Can't say who he reminds me of, tho.

Don't necessarily agree with the Blount comparison for Bell.  Still can't think of a current similar player...maybe a beefier Fred Jackson or Darren McFadden?  Don't think he's as much of a bruiser as Blount, but he doesn't generally shy away from contact either.  Can move the pile when necessary, yet quick enough to get to the edge.  He weighs about the same as Mendenhall, but plays bigger.  Decent hands out of the backfield.  Think he runs a little too upright and I'm not crazy about his propensity to hurdle defenders.  Only slightly less annoying than Mendenhall's constant dancing.

Le'Veon Bell

OVERVIEW
Bell wasn't highly coveted by major programs early in the recruiting process, being offered by hometown Ohio State and others as a safety and nearly going to the MAC to play running back before Michigan State stepped up with their scholarship. But his senior season flourish (1,333 yards, 21 touchdowns) got MSU on his scent, and they've been happy for it ever since.

His start as a true freshman was so good that he joined the Doak Walker Award watch list during the season; most of his 605 rushing yards and eight scores came in the first six weeks of the year, before Edwin Baker finished off the year as the lead back. Bell flipped the script on Baker in 2011, however, starting the last six games after coming off the bench over the first eight (182-948, 13 TD; 35-267 receiving). Big Ten coaches named him honorable mention all-conference for his efforts.

In his junior season, Bell had the backfield all to himself, and the Spartans certainly got the most out of him. Bell carried the football 382 times, en route to rushing for 1,793 yards and 12 touchdowns, earning himself numerous postseason accolades.
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Big, bruising back with power in his lower body but lighter feet than you'd expect give his size. North-south runner effective in one and two-back sets. Strong cuts and a nice burst out of them makes him capable of breaking off big runs when the hole is available. Sets up defenders in the open field to cut away. Flashes some stop-start ability and shake in space that freezes oncoming defenders. Pushes piles with lower body strength. Can lower his pads for contact, churn through tackle attempts to become difficult to bring down due to second and third efforts. Wiggles and pushes through traffic inside to get the extra yard after it looks as though he's stopped. Possesses a spin move to come off tackles at the second level, maintains balance to keep on moving or at least fall forward for an extra couple of yards. Uses a strong stiff arm in space, as well. Agile enough to jump over defenders trying to cut him down in the open field. Used in Wildcat formation in the red zone. Decent receiver out of the backfield.
WEAKNESSES Taller back who presents a big target for defenders to hit, especially when failing to lower his pads going into the hole. Size also limits his breakaway speed and ability to create on his own if challenged by better front sevens.Sub par vision prevents him from seeing cut back lines and sees him running up the back of his lead blocker too often. Pass protection form is inconsistent, has size to handle rushers or at least push them around the pocket, but often moves his feet too slowly or tries to cut instead of setting to anchor. Holds the ball away from his body at times, though he doesn't fumble very often.
NFL COMPARISON LeGarrette Blount
BOTTOM LINE Bell has monster size, but also shows nimble feet. Can make people miss at any level of the field, but doesn't have very good vision. As the season progressed, Bell's lateral agility declined. Bell proved capable of handling a tremendous amount of touches. To become a full-time back though, Bell will need to continue to improve his ability as a pass catcher or become a more consistent blocker, in addition to improving his vision as a runner.
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