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« on: Apr 10, 2013 at 09:45 »

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« Reply #1 on: Apr 10, 2013 at 10:44 »

I think this is a win/win situation for the Steelers.  I have read that the offer to Sanders “will not scare the Steelers off”.  So maybe we can afford to match NE’s offer.  If not most of these players should be available at #91:
Tyrann Mathieu, S, LSU, J.J. Wilcox, S, Georgia Southern, John Bostic, MLB, Florida, Leon McFadden, CB, San Diego State, Will Davis, CB, Utah State, Marcus Lattimore, RB, South Carolina, Shawn Williams, S, Georgia, Joe Kruger, OLB, Utah
Any of which would help out.
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« Reply #2 on: Apr 10, 2013 at 10:45 »

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/sanders-gets-offer-from-patriots-steelers-have-until-sunday-to-match-682852/

Here's the link. Steelers have until Sunday to match.

Could be a worst case scenario for the Steelers here (or best case depending on the way you look at it). I don't know the details of the offer, but it is a one year contract.

Cons:
  • Cap room issue for one year contract
  • Matching only gets us one more year before we have to negotiate again or lose him for nothing (cept a compensatory pick)
  • Already dangerously thin at WR and hard to lose another.

Pros:
  • If we didn't match, we'd get a third round pick from the patriots (3-29 or 91 overall)
  • Pats only get him for one year, then he's an UFA
  • Could maybe get him back after that (talk to Sanders about renting him to NE for a year, but that we want him back after that)

Anyone know if for a RFA, you can match or beat an offer or if it is a straight match? I'd like to match the one year offer with a multi-year contract if possible. Smells like NE putting together a deal that they know that the Steelers will not be able to match due to cap space. Also, I think that pick 3-29 (91) is low value for Sanders. Maybe the Steelers should have tendered him at the first round tier rather than the drafted round tier (not sure how much more that would have cost). I think he's outplayed his value as a 3rd round pick so far.
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« Reply #3 on: Apr 10, 2013 at 10:50 »

I think this is a win/win situation for the Steelers.  I have read that the offer to Sanders “will not scare the Steelers off”.  So maybe we can afford to match NE’s offer.  If not most of these players should be available at #91:
Tyrann Mathieu, S, LSU, J.J. Wilcox, S, Georgia Southern, John Bostic, MLB, Florida, Leon McFadden, CB, San Diego State, Will Davis, CB, Utah State, Marcus Lattimore, RB, South Carolina, Shawn Williams, S, Georgia, Joe Kruger, OLB, Utah
Any of which would help out.


Yes those players would help, but none of them are WRs and that would leave us with these WRs under contract:

  • Brown, Antonio
  • Burress, Plaxico
  • Cotchery, Jerricho
  • Gilreath, David
  • Moore, Kashif
  • Moye, Derek
  • Reed, Bert

Any one comfortable with that? All of a sudden WR is a round 1 priority (along with all the other holes on the team). Are the Steelers even going to be competitive this year?
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« Reply #4 on: Apr 10, 2013 at 11:15 »

With 1.17 (17), 2.17 (48), 3.17 (79) and the 3.29 (91), we could easily draft replacements for Wallace and Sanders.  I like Sanders'n'all, but we have a nearly identical guy in Brown, but fewer injuries.  Hell, use the R1 and one of the R3 to take the two WVU guys, I'd be happy; throw in Shamarko in R2, a FS in R6 like Earl Wolff; big value cluster in R3 for ILB, maybe Bostic from FL; R4 you can find a RB faller (Taylor, Bell, Gillislee); R5, R6 comp, and R7, find a developmental OL x2 and a developmental QB.

There's a few WR I wouldn't mind in R1/R2; if we could trade down in R1, I'd look at Hunter, Hopkins and Patton.  If that nets us another mid, look for OL there.
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« Reply #5 on: Apr 10, 2013 at 14:33 »

Crikey.  One of those mid- to late-rounders should be a developmental CB as well.  Like that Davis kid we brought in from Utah St., kinda raw, some LOC issues, but decent height and some INTs.  There's always some late round stuff.  Hell, I didn't think Cortez was gonna be anything special.
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« Reply #6 on: Apr 10, 2013 at 18:31 »

Now that the number is out ($2.5M), I say they'll let him walk. If the Pats just edged the tender, like $1.5, I'd think there was a chance they'd try to sign him. He's going to try to get more than he's worth next year anyway. WRs always tend to over evaluate their own worth in my opinion.

Take the draft pick and draft to the position that was lost. Pick up an unsigned UFA for one year to fill the void:

Steve Breaston
Deion Branch (hair of the dog)
Austin Collie
Josh Cribbs
Brandon Lloyd (hair of the dog)
Brandon Stokley

Brown, experienced free agent, Plax, Cotch, Gilreath and/or draft picks will get us through the year. This was going to be a problem next year anyway. Might as well get the extra draft pick while you can.
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« Reply #7 on: Apr 11, 2013 at 07:29 »

Early Doucet?

In addition to the usual WR suspects, I would look to Zach Ertz if there in the 2nd

I don't think the Steelers should match
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« Reply #8 on: Apr 11, 2013 at 08:13 »

I really like the idea of Cordarrelle Patterson from UT, perhaps as our 1.17.
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« Reply #9 on: Apr 11, 2013 at 10:22 »

For giggles and grins I wonder if there is now a package of draft picks that we could put together and trade with Jacksonville.  What would make sense and who would you pick? Yea I know it will not happen and shouldn’t.  Just trying to fill the void of an otherwise boring Thursday.
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« Reply #10 on: Apr 11, 2013 at 10:33 »

I don't see any way we could move up to 1.2 without giving away our first 3 rounds' worth of picks, including the Sanders R3 - and no one there worth it frankly.  I like some of the LTs at the top, but not at that price.
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« Reply #11 on: Apr 11, 2013 at 11:48 »

Very surprised they made an offer.

Let him walk.
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« Reply #12 on: Apr 11, 2013 at 14:46 »

YEah, let him walk, take the pick.
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« Reply #13 on: Apr 12, 2013 at 08:39 »

I heard on the radio early this morning that the Steelers WERE likely to match this offer.

When you think about how many 3rd round and lower picks don't work out, I can understand why. Hope they can extend him longer than one year too though.

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« Reply #14 on: Apr 12, 2013 at 11:41 »

I heard on the radio early this morning that the Steelers WERE likely to match this offer.

When you think about how many 3rd round and lower picks don't work out, I can understand why. Hope they can extend him longer than one year too though.

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OK, so here's our options.

1.  Get a late R3, in a draft when there is a ton of talent in R2-R3 (especially ILB, WR, and S).

2.  Sign Sanders for a year, then let him walk because we cannot extend him, then get a late-round 2015 comp for our efforts.

I'll take option 1 as the long-term solution.
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« Reply #15 on: Apr 12, 2013 at 11:56 »

Let him walk and sign Nate Washington (who is reportedly getting released.  Getting the band back together!!!!@@@!@!!!!
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« Reply #16 on: Apr 12, 2013 at 12:37 »

Fuck yeah.  Get ARE back, and Rich Tylski, and Shar Pourdanesh, and Fu, and Lee Flowers, and... ewww, I was just gonna say Chad and DeWayne, but I threw up a little in my mouth.
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« Reply #17 on: Apr 12, 2013 at 13:33 »

This team hasn't done shit since Schneck left. 
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« Reply #18 on: Apr 12, 2013 at 14:11 »

>>>RESING SHRECK!!1!
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« Reply #19 on: Apr 12, 2013 at 15:00 »

Let him walk and sign Nate Washington (who is reportedly getting released.  Getting the band back together!!!!@@@!@!!!!

Fuck yeah.  Get ARE back, and Rich Tylski, and Shar Pourdanesh, and Fu, and Lee Flowers, and... ewww, I was just gonna say Chad and DeWayne, but I threw up a little in my mouth.

Najeh will probably need a few extra bucks.
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« Reply #20 on: Apr 12, 2013 at 15:21 »

Let him walk and sign Nate Washington (who is reportedly getting released.  Getting the band back together!!!!@@@!@!!!!

Fuck yeah.  Get ARE back, and Rich Tylski, and Shar Pourdanesh, and Fu, and Lee Flowers, and... ewww, I was just gonna say Chad and DeWayne, but I threw up a little in my mouth.

Najeh will probably need a few extra bucks.

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« Reply #21 on: Apr 14, 2013 at 17:58 »

Sanders signes with the STEELERS:  http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/22072376/steelers-match-patriots-25-million-offer-for-emmanuel-sanders

Not a bad decision and hopefully they can get him to sign a longer term contract before the season starts.
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« Reply #22 on: Apr 14, 2013 at 18:02 »

We just paid an additional $1.2M and gained nothing, probably lost the ability to sign a free agent like Bradshaw.

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« Reply #23 on: Apr 14, 2013 at 18:54 »

Did we overpay?  Yeah, a little bit.

But I for one am glad that we don't need to replace every single guy via the draft.
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« Reply #24 on: Apr 15, 2013 at 07:04 »

The ONLY way this makes sense is if they sign Sanders to an extension, otherwise his cap hit is too high and he's a UFA next year.  I don't mind locking him in that way, but his injury history made him worth moving on to the Pats IMO.  If he stays healthy his best ball remains ahead of him.

Still need a top WR in R1-3.  We have two WR2s, and no WR1.
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« Reply #25 on: Apr 15, 2013 at 07:25 »

I dunno, I was fine either way they went with this.  3rd round picks are a crapshoot and I'd rather not completely punt a season of Ben's career.

I have to think they will work on an extension.  Crossing my fingers that the guy can stay healthy.
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« Reply #26 on: Apr 15, 2013 at 08:36 »

I dunno, I was fine either way they went with this.  3rd round picks are a crapshoot and I'd rather not completely punt a season of Ben's career.

I have to think they will work on an extension.  Crossing my fingers that the guy can stay healthy.

Depends on the crop of WRs in any given year.   There's some very good talent in R1-2, but I think there's some excellent WR value in R3-4 this year, less of a crapshoot than perhaps other years.  Two scenarios:

Lose Sanders, Get R3 Draft Pick

2013 - Steelers get the 3.29 (91).  Have A. Brown and vets Burress and Cotchery, plus PS/fringe roster players like Gilreath, Moye, etc.  Clearly depth is an issue and at a minimum 2 future starters would need to be drafted to replace Wallace and Sanders.  If the Steelers find a WR1 in R1-2, they could then find a complementary player in R3-5 without sacrificing other draft needs.  Players available ~ the Steelers R3 selection(s) include:  A&M's Ryan Swope (+speed, productive under 2 top QBs), Texas's Marquise Goodwin (+speed), WVU's Stedman Bailey (+speed, + productivity, +++TD), K State's Chris Harper (size, hands), OK's Kenny Stills (+speed); after that are more developmental/crapshoot types.  There's a LOT of speed in the bunch listed, so you could boost the speed of the WR corps, and use the earlier pick on a guy deemed to be a WR1 type (IMO, Austin and possibly Hopkins at 1.17; in trade back or R2 Patton, Hunter, Williams, Rogers).

The 2013 season would be one where the rookies would need to be worked into the lineup, much as when we drafted Wallace and Sanders.  Having Plax and Cotchery helps in this, but the 2013 productivity might suffer.  2014 and onward looks promising in this scenario, however.

Another bonus is the fact that by wiping the Sanders cap hit, the FO could pick up one more FA to plug holes.

Keep Sanders, No Extension

2013 - More continuity in the passing game, but one fewer FA to be signed due to cap effect.  The building phase of the WR corps is pushed back a year from previous scenario, but 2013 is likely more productive.

2014 - Sanders leaves via FA.  A mid-level draft pick has to be used that would have otherwise been available in the previous scenario. 

2015 - Steelers receive comp pick unless FAs basically balance out, and they get nothing.  Let's wildly speculate and say Sanders nets us a R5 comp.  (This would be the equivalent of a 2013 R7 pick by standard computation.) 

Pluses:  Better 2013 WR productivity.  Minuses:  Loss of 2013 FA, loss of 2014 mid-round pick, net 4 round loss in comp/tender picks, timetable for WR upgrade pushed back.

Now, all this changes if they extend Sanders (but do you?) and grab a solid WR1 this year.

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« Reply #27 on: Apr 15, 2013 at 09:00 »

Well I have mixed emotions about the whole thing but the more I think about it (and after reading your argument, I'm not as informed as some on the draft) something like the pick + signing a Brandon Lloyd type was probably the way to go.  I guess my heart is in putting the best possible team out there while Ben is in his prime, but does Manny Sanders put us over the top?  I doubt it.

And to answer your question, after really thinking about, given the injury history and the cap-hell, I probably don't extend him.  Not so sure he want an extension either at this point, probably wants to play it out and see whats out there next year.

So yeah I just flip-flopped.  Second cup of coffee will do that I guess.



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« Reply #28 on: Apr 15, 2013 at 10:31 »

Let him walk and sign Nate Washington (who is reportedly getting released.  Getting the band back together!!!!@@@!@!!!!

Fuck yeah.  Get ARE back, and Rich Tylski, and Shar Pourdanesh, and Fu, and Lee Flowers, and... ewww, I was just gonna say Chad and DeWayne, but I threw up a little in my mouth.

Najeh will probably need a few extra bucks.

Laundry baskets ain't cheap.

Neither are attorney's fees.
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« Reply #29 on: Apr 15, 2013 at 21:33 »

Fine with it either way, but just like the fact that in some small way we gave the Pats the middle finger.

Besides, if we let Sanders sign with them, Goddell would have re-invoked the Tuck Rule and given the Pats their pick back.
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« Reply #30 on: Apr 15, 2013 at 22:15 »

Let him walk and sign Nate Washington (who is reportedly getting released.  Getting the band back together!!!!@@@!@!!!!

Fuck yeah.  Get ARE back, and Rich Tylski, and Shar Pourdanesh, and Fu, and Lee Flowers, and... ewww, I was just gonna say Chad and DeWayne, but I threw up a little in my mouth.

Najeh will probably need a few extra bucks.

Laundry baskets ain't cheap.

Neither are attorney's fees.

Of course, this is not official legal advice  As far as you know lawyers are a dime a dozen. Although they actually charge you fifteen cents on the dozen.
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