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« on: Jul 25, 2013 at 11:46 »

For the most part, I agree.

About the only thing that I would downplay from what he said is the impact of losing Wallace.  Yeah, he's a "downfield threat" and it might make things a little more...muddled if defenses don't respect Pittsburgh's big play ability.  However, that doesn't really play into the Haley style of offense, anyway, which is more of a precision passing game and getting the ball out of #7's hands more quickly.  This would obviously help in keeping #7 upright and healthy.

When it's all said and done, health is really the biggest issue for Pittsburgh.  On paper, they might not look like the most talented on either side of the ball and with some of the defections and lack of impact additions, it's no stretch to say they look weaker.  In fact, you might be crazy to assert otherwise.  However, they still have a franchise QB (and I mean a real one, not one that landed franchise QB money because his team happened to win the Super Bowl...) that can carry the offense, make players better and win a game with his arm.  As long as he (and other key guys can stay healthy), they're in the playoff mix.

They're a decent team.  And, it's such a fine line between a decent team finishing 8-8 or 11-5/12-4.  Even last year, with all the setbacks, they lost what, 4 or 5 games by 3 points or less?

Last year, those bounces, those calls went the other way.  Time for variance to swing things back in Pittsburgh's favor.
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« Reply #1 on: Jul 27, 2013 at 09:58 »

I'll try to put together a forecast of my own soon.

A LOT of questions, as we have a lot of guys stepping into new roles.  Writer is incorrect about Miller, there's actually a lot of optimism he'l be ready for the opener.

Steelers Depot's had some decent preview articles, but I want to see how camp shakes out a bit.
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« Reply #2 on: Jul 29, 2013 at 09:51 »

Right now, seems like alls quiet in Steelerland.

That's a good thing.
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« Reply #3 on: Jul 30, 2013 at 11:56 »

Yet another.

Some interesting numbers tidbits.

This isn't surprising, but still crazy to see it on paper.

Roethlisberger has had one season in which he's played all 16 games in his nine years with the Steelers.
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« Reply #4 on: Jul 30, 2013 at 11:59 »

Just need #80 to turn back the clock.

And Dwyer looks to be in the best...
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« Reply #5 on: Jul 30, 2013 at 13:33 »


This isn't surprising, but still crazy to see it on paper.

Roethlisberger has had one season in which he's played all 16 games in his nine years with the Steelers.

The more I read that, the more astounding it sounds.

To compare:

P. Manning - played in all 16 games in 14 of his 15 seasons in NFL.
E. Manning - played in all 16 games in 8 of his 9 seasons in NFL.
T. Brady - played in all 16 games in 10 of his 13 seasons in NFL (really, since becoming starter, he only missed games in one season).
D. Brees - played in all 16 games in 8 of his 12 seasons in the NFL (again, since becoming a starter, he missed games in three seasons; in two of those seasons, he missed just one game).
A. Rodgers - due to the Favre quandry, he's played 5 seasons as starter.  He's only missed one game in two different seasons
P. Rivers - been in the NFL for 9 seasons, 7 as a starter.  Hasn't missed a game since taking over.
Some assclown that just signed a nine figure deal hasn't missed a game in 5 seasons.
Matt Ryan has missed only a couple games in the same amount of time.

The difference is startling, really

Gonna be tough to ever be considered among the great ones if you can't manage to stay healthy.  Look at last season.  He was on an MVP like pace until he got hurt.  Going into this season, it seems like he's kind of an after thought. 

Generally, when the first thing that comes to mind when forecasting his season is, "if he can stay upright..." it's never a good thing.
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« Reply #6 on: Jul 30, 2013 at 14:36 »

his career numbers are even more amazing considering he's played so many less games than all the other guys...
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« Reply #7 on: Jul 30, 2013 at 16:01 »

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Gonna be tough to ever be considered among the great ones if you can't manage to stay healthy.

Conversely, might look at it as a product of BBR's shitty lines.  If you look at how often those QBs were sacked...

B. Roethlisberger – 344 sacks – 126 GS  (9 seasons)– 2.73 sacks/start – 8.38% sack percentage
A. Rodgers - 211 sacks – 78 GS (5 seasons) – 2.71 sacks/start – 7.34% sack percentage
J. Flacco - 174 sacks – 80 GS (5 seasons) – 2.18 sacks/start – 6.53% sack percentage
P. Rivers - 219 sacks – 112 GS (7 seasons) – 1.96 sacks/start – 5.79% sack percentage
T. Brady - 303 sacks – 175 GS (12 seasons) – 1.73 sacks/start – 4.84% sack percentage
E. Manning - 213 sacks – 135 GS (9 seasons) – 1.58 sacks/start – 4.56% sack percentage
Matt Ryan - 113 sacks – 77 GS (5 seasons) – 1.47 sacks/start – 4.11% sack percentage
D. Brees - 234 sacks – 169 GS (12 seasons) – 1.38 sacks/start – 3.67% sack percentage
P. Manning – 252 sacks – 224 GS (15 seasons) – 1.13 sacks/start - 3.13% sack percentage

Only Ben, Aaron, and Fucko get sacked more than twice per game on average.  Ben's had nearly twice as many seasons as starter, and subjectively speaking, I'd assess his OL as the worst of any QB on this list on a year-in, year-out basis.
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« Reply #8 on: Aug 02, 2013 at 14:07 »

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/steelers-linebackers-look-regain-snarl-182544266--nfl.html

Though Woodley is reluctant to discuss his weight, Butler estimates Woodley played at around 295 pounds over the last two years. He appears slimmer during the first week of training camp at Saint Vincent College, even if he typically hides his wide 6-foot-2 frame underneath layers of sweatshirts and shorts.

Whoa.  Good thing Snacks is gone cuz now Woodman can finally get off the Casey Hampton Diet.

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« Reply #9 on: Aug 02, 2013 at 14:15 »

295?!  FFS. 
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« Reply #10 on: Aug 02, 2013 at 15:12 »

He and Lacy need to read the MGS Get Healthy 2013 thread
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« Reply #11 on: Aug 03, 2013 at 12:16 »

It's weird I fell better about this season because I haven't seen many pick us better than 3rd in the division.  Usually the type of year we sneak up on everyone.

Definitely put up or shut up time for alot of people (Hi Heyward, Ziggy!)

295 is insane.  Just insane.
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« Reply #12 on: Aug 05, 2013 at 18:09 »

295, so the sloth wasn't imaginary.
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« Reply #13 on: Aug 09, 2013 at 08:25 »

Tomlin looked a tad porky as well last year.  I think the whole team fell back on its usual cycle of going flabby after tasting success.   Seems like an institutional cycle, since this occurred under Cowher as well.

If Tomlin looks crisp, I think it will mean the whole team is hungry.
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« Reply #14 on: Aug 14, 2013 at 11:21 »

Here are my evolving 2013 final roster predictions, after the first preseason game.  Locks in black.  In, but still questionable, in italics.  Out, but making a good case, in green.  Long shots in red.  25 on offense, 25 on defense, 3 specialists.

Quarterback (3).
Ben Roethlisberger, Bruce Gradkowski, Landry Jones, John Parker Wilson.
Gradkowski will be fine as backup, but QB3 is looking pretty bleak.  Landry Jones will likely stick because we spent a R4 on him, and JP Wilson has been inconsistent.  God help us if Ben and Bruce are both hurt though, because right now Landry looks like a complete turd, and I don’t see that improving much over the preseason at least.  I would definitely check the waiver wire and consider stashing him on the practice squad, but that won’t happen.

Running backs (5).
LeVeon Bell, Isaac Redman, LaRod Stephens-Howling, Will Johnson (FB/TE) Jonathan Dwyer, Baron Batch, Alvester Alexander.
We haven’t seen Bell yet, but reports are glowing.  Coach Kirby says Bell has been mistake free, something he cannot remember from a rookie.  He’s apparently improving his blocking, cutting well, and showing good hands in the passing game.  I think Bell will in fact be the first RB to start his first regular season game since Tim Worley in 1989.  Even though Isaac Redman was not able to assert himself as a starter in Mendenhall’s absence (mostly due to nagging injuries), he remains a very capable guy as a backup or fill-in starter, able to bull his way through tough yardage in crunch situations.  LSH showed he has the speed and vision to be an absolute free agent steal as a change of pace back.  And Will Johnson was solid if unspectacular last year, chipping in 157 yards receiving as a FB/TE.  I look for Johnson’s role to expand as he may have to fill in at TE while Miller and Spaeth recover, and reports have it that he’s catching the ball well in traffic.

Jonathan Dwyer is rather maddening.  He plays too well to cut, but not well enough consistently enough to promote.  My pet theory for months has been that he’s 1) insurance in case one of the other RBs gets hurt, and barring that 2) trade bait for an area of need (CB, OL).  If that does not happen, I think he beats out Baron Batch for the final RB spot.  Batch has not shown enough skill as a runner, but remains in the mix due to superior blocking and STs skills.  That may also force the issue of what to do with Dwyer.  Alexander has a shot at the practice squad.

Wide receivers (5).
Antonio Brown, Emmanuel Sanders, Jericho Cotchery, Markus Wheaton, Justin Brown, JD Woods, Reggie Dunn, Derek Moye, David Gilreath, Kashif Moore, Tyler Shaw.
I think the Steelers keep five here.  I also think Sanders will have a better season than Brown, and that Wheaton will be WR3 by the mid-season.  WR5 has some interesting candidates, but Justin Brown is catching well, has KR/PR possibilities, and plus size (6’3”).  JD Woods made a pretty good case for himself against the Giants, showing outstanding body control.  If Reggie Dunn can ever get a chance to showcase his speed and even show minimal competency as a WR, he could be in.  And Derek Moye has plus size as well (6’5”) as a RZ target. 

David Gilreath shat the bed, but has more familiarity with the system than Moore or Shaw, who appear to be camp bodies.  If Brown makes the final cut, I’d love to see Dunn and Woods on the practice squad.

Tight ends (3).
Heath Miller, Matt Spaeth, David Paulson, Jamie McCoy, Michael Palmer, Peter Tuitupou, Nathan Overbay.
There is the possibility that if Miller and Spaeth are out for the first few games, a fourth TE could stick, preferably a blocking end.  But I think the Steelers will roll with Paulson and Will Johnson until Miller comes back, and then be four deep when Spaeth returns.  McCoy or Palmer appear the closest to having a shot, but I don’t believe that will happen, especially if Miller is looking close to returning by the opener.  Paulson is also having a good camp, showing more as a receiver and having gotten a year in with strength and conditioning, so don’t be surprised if Miller Lite and Will Johnson are clutch receiving options over the middle this year.  In fact, I predict the two will combine for around 400 yards receiving this season, most of it tough yardage.  If David Johnson comes back, I think he still loses the job to Will Johnson.

Offensive line (9).
Maurkice Pouncey, David DeCastro, Mike Adams, Ramon Foster, Marcus Gilbert, Kelvin Beachum, John Malecki, Guy Whimper, Justin Cheadle, Joe Long, Mike Golic, Joe Madsen, Mike Farrell, Chris Hubbard, D’Anthony Batiste.
The first six are obvious, with Beachum the four-position swing man.  Malecki can man the IOL and appears to be better than Legursky in that role.  After that it gets dodgy.  Whimper sucks, but may stick just based on the fact that he’s a vet (albeit a terrible one) and worked with Bicknell before (although his work was shoddy).  I do not like Whimper.  I do not like him, Sam I Am.  Cheadle looked to be getting the most IOL backup work before suffering a knee injury, so depending on how that shakes out, Long or Golic could be considered for some more reps.  I found it curious that Long, who also appears to be a four-position swing man, was shut out of the preseason game against the Giants.  Not much of a fan of Golic’s, but we’ll see.  Madsen is a scrapper who may go to the practice squad, and the rest are what they are.  Don’t be surprised if we’re scouting the waiver wire for someone to fill the ninth spot.
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« Reply #15 on: Aug 14, 2013 at 11:21 »

Nose tackle (2).
Steve McLendon,Alameda Ta’amu, Hebron Fangupo .
The Big Mac era begins.  Not the anchor Big Snack was, but more mobile in getting upfield.  I was not a fan of the Ta’amu pick, especially after the shit with the DUI, but he appears to be improving and showing enough to stick as backup.  Al Woods looks like a capable NT3 if necessary, although I think he’ll primarily be a DE backup.  Loni Fangupo was a guy I actually liked better than Ta’amu in the draft, and he’s been solid but I don’t think he’s going to leapfrog his way in.  I believe he has practice squad eligibility, so that’s a possibility.  He’s a quality character guy, but he’s also 28, which may ding his chances somewhat.

Defensive ends (4).
Ziggy Hood, Brett Keisel, Cameron Heyward, Al Woods, Brian Arnfelt, Nick Williams.
Although fans are hoping Ziggy and Cam step up this year, there’s little question they are locks.  Al Woods looks to have really stepped up his game, after a circuitous path to the Steelers (Saints, Steelers, Bucs, Seahawks, Steelers, all in 4 years).  Although the Steelers drafted Nick Williams, he looks like a project, albeit an interesting one, so no doubt he’s a priority practice squad player.  The real tickler here is Arnfelt, who was a UDFA out of Northwestern.  His workout numbers (38 reps, 31” VJ, 9’ 1” BJ, 78 KEI) suggest that he is exactly the kind of player you want to kick the tires on as a UDFA, and he played extremely well against the Giants, showing good speed and the ability to sort through trash adroitly.  He’s had a solid camp, and could push to be the fifth DE.  But at this point I think we stick with 6 DL, since Woods can be backup DE or NT3.

Outside linebackers (4).
Lamarr Woodley, Jason Worilds, Jarvis Jones, Adrian Robinson, Chris Carter, Alan Baxter.
Hard to tell if the Steelers will keep 4 or 5, which basically means do you keep Adrian Robinson or Chris Carter?  Or both?  With Jones in the mix, I think we drop one, and Robinson at least has speed as a rusher.  Carter was a guy I was high on, but it hasn’t translated.  Baxter has gotten good mention from the coaches, and could push Carter if the Steelers keep 5, but I don’t see that.

 Inside linebackers (5).
Lawrence Timmons, Larry Foote, Stevenson Sylvester, Marshall McFadden, Vince Williams, Kion Wilson, Brian Rolle, Terence Garvin.
This is gonna be one interesting fucking battle, my friends.  Stevenson Sylvester has the experience, and has been practicing at ILB and OLB, which bodes well.  He was also allowed to test the market and did not appear to be a priority re-signing, and he is another guy with experience who needs to make it happen now.  Marshall McFadden is back after a spin on the practice squad, 53-man roster, and being cut to make room for Plax.  He’s showing improvement and may be ahead of Sly at this point.  Vince Williams has shown good leadership as a rookie, and may be ahead of the other two as a long-term investment, but it’s really close.  Kion Wilson has bounced from the Chargers to the Panthers to the Steelers, and been relegated to practice squad duty and trying to bounce back from injuries.  He showed a lot of energy in his preseason game, and could be in the mix.  Brian Rolle also showed well, and was a guy I liked in the draft a couple years ago despite height limitations.  Rolle especially looks good in coverage.  All in all, a nice competition.  Terence Garvin, male prostitute, is odd man out here.

Cornerbacks (6).
Ike Taylor, Cortez Allen, William Gay, Curtis Brown, Josh Victorian, DeMarcus Van Dyke, Terry Hawthorn, Isaiah Green, Ryan Steed, Devin Smith, Ross Ventrone.
Curtis Brown also needs to step up, but I think he’s basically a lock when you look at the players behind him.  Josh Victorian saw some playing time last year, and hopefully learned from it, and has the best shot at CB5 right now.  Then it gets chippier, with speedster Van Dyke trying to erase memories of ST gaffes and get some playing time, and rookie prospect Hawthorn also battling injuries.  If he’s not on the field soon, his best shot will be the practice squad.  I don’t think any of the rest have a legit shot, especially since coaches think S Shamarko Thomas may be able to flex to CB in some situations.

Safeties (4)
Troy Polamalu, Ryan Clark, Shamarko Thomas, Robert Golden, Damon Cromartie-Smith.
Rookie Thomas is still finding his way, but I expect to see him progress really nicely through the preseason.  If he does, the Steelers might keep four safeties, with Golden having the edge.  He’s shown solid play and DCS whiffed badly on the blocked kick in the Giants game.  Still, DCS has a real shot as a security blanket if the Steelers keep 5.  I think that would mean we’d keep 5 CB and 5 S, so the question is whether DCS is a better addition than Van Dyke or Hawthorn, which will be something to watch.  That ST gaffe may come back to haunt him.

Specialists.
Shaun Suisham (PK), Greg Warren (LS), Drew Butler (P), Brian Moorman (P), Danny Hrapmann.
No real drama here unless Moorman can translate his superior hang time into decent gametime production.

Practice squad.
WR JD Woods, OT/OG Joe Long, NT Loni Fangupo, DE Nick Williams, DE Brian Arnfelt, CB Terry Hawthorn; 3 waiver wire adds with PS eligibility at LB, QB, S.
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« Reply #16 on: Aug 14, 2013 at 13:23 »

I think Bell will in fact be the first RB to start his first regular season game since Tim Worley in 1989.

*shudder*

Cornerback depth gives me the shits.
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« Reply #17 on: Aug 14, 2013 at 13:42 »

I think Bell will in fact be the first RB to start his first regular season game since Tim Worley in 1989.

*shudder*

Cornerback depth gives me the shits.

SING MITT WORLEY@!@!!!

Yeah, not very happy with the CB depth, although I do hope we see something from Hawthorn.  Beyond that, wretched, IMO.  And even though we're good 6-7 deep on OL, it seems we burn down to some of those 8s and 9s every year.  That's why I'd like to see us move Dwyer if our backs make it through healthy, get something in return.
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« Reply #18 on: Aug 14, 2013 at 14:57 »

Would feel 1000x better going into this season if that list looked like:  Taylor/Allen/Lewis/Brown

*sigh*

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« Reply #19 on: Aug 21, 2013 at 12:38 »

Updated, for the post-Redskins suckfest:

Quarterback (3).
Ben Roethlisberger, Bruce Gradkowski, Landry Jones, John Parker Wilson.
Outside of the long throw to Wheaton, Jones has still looked like the rookie caught in the headlights.  But it looks like he’s in and Wilson is out.

Running backs (5).
LeVeon Bell, Isaac Redman, LaRod Stephens-Howling, Will Johnson (FB/TE) Jonathan Dwyer, Baron Batch, Alvester Alexander.
Dwyer showed that he can be a contributor as a depth back, and put up some decent yardage totals.  He also showed some maddening hesitation when given a cutback, and had a stupid fumble.  Batch was better this time around and again, STs and blocking ability may be the difference for him.  Alexander looks like a PS guy at best.

 Wide receivers (5).
Antonio Brown, Emmanuel Sanders, Jericho Cotchery, Markus Wheaton, Reggie Dunn, Justin Brown, JD Woods,  Derek Moye, David Gilreath, Kashif Moore, Tyler Shaw.
On the basis of receiving skills, the WR5 job looks like a dead heat between Brown, Moye, and possibly Woods.  But I’ve bumped Dunn to the head of the class because he’s shown remarkable zip in KR/PR situations, and hasn’t muffed any kicks.  In fact, his hands look pretty decent.  If he can add receiving to his repertoire, he’s in.

Tight ends (3).
Heath Miller, Matt Spaeth, David Paulson,David Johnson Jamie McCoy, Michael Palmer, Peter Tuitupou, Nathan Overbay.
Johnson’s return couldn’t come at a better time.  David Paulson’s glowing camp reports were not backed up on the field, especially as a blocker.  Johnson can block, and like Will Johnson as some TE/FB versatility as well.  Jamie McCoy showed nice toughness and some real wiggle to get YAC, although it may not be enough to make the 53.

Offensive line (9).
Maurkice Pouncey, David DeCastro, Mike Adams, Ramon Foster, Marcus Gilbert, Kelvin Beachum, John Malecki, Joe Long, Guy Whimper, Justin Cheadle, Mike Golic, Joe Madsen, Mike Farrell, Chris Hubbard, D’Anthony Batiste.
Well, fuck.  Past Malecki, this squad is a big shit pile.  Long may have the best shot here, and that’s not saying much.  Whimper is garbage, pure horseshit.  Cheadle’s mysterious injury looks serious.  The rest of these guys are names on paper.

We had better scan waivers for OL8 and OL9, because this group is a world of suck.
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« Reply #20 on: Aug 21, 2013 at 12:47 »

And a few tweaks D-side.

Nose tackle (2).
Steve McLendon,Alameda Ta’amu, Hebron Fangupo .
Al Woods is a lock as backup DE, but curiously has gotten more play as backup NT than Ta’amu or Fangupo.  Don’t know if that is good or bad.  Still think one of those two makes it, and right now that’s Ta’amu.

Defensive ends (4).
Ziggy Hood, Brett Keisel, Cameron Heyward, Al Woods, Brian Arnfelt, Nick Williams.
Arnfelt keeps showing stout play, and I’d like to see what he can do against higher level of competition from here out.  Could be a real sleeper.  Williams is back from the wounded and showed some of the promise we drafted him for by getting a nice sack.  Both of these guys are interesting, and it will be difficult to sail them both through waivers.

Outside linebackers (4).
Lamarr Woodley, Jason Worilds, Jarvis Jones, Adrian Robinson, Chris Carter, Alan Baxter.
Carter or Robinson, Robinson or Carter…

 Inside linebackers (5).
Lawrence Timmons, Larry Foote, Stevenson Sylvester, Marshall McFadden, Vince Williams, Kion Wilson, Brian Rolle, Terence Garvin.
Didn’t see much from this group this week.  Personally, I’d keep Rolle and try to move Williams to the PS. 

Cornerbacks (6).
Ike Taylor, Cortez Allen, William Gay, Curtis Brown, Josh Victorian, DeMarcus Van Dyke, Terry Hawthorn, Isaiah Green, Ryan Steed, Devin Smith, Ross Ventrone.
Hawthorn sighting!  Again, no one did much to separate from the pack, IMO.  Victorian has some experience, Van Dyke has speed, Hawthorne has upside.  Another 2 games may be necessary to make this call.

Safeties (4)
Troy Polamalu, Ryan Clark, Shamarko Thomas, Robert Golden, Damon Cromartie-Smith.
DC-S showed better and may be even with Golden.  What Shamarko and Golden have over DC-S is that they can play some corner in a pinch.  Still, this is a tight race.

Specialists.
Shaun Suisham (PK), Greg Warren (LS), Drew Butler (P), Brian Moorman (P), Danny Hrapmann.
Some punter battle drama, I guess.

Practice squad.
WR JD Woods, LB Vince Williams, NT Loni Fangupo, DE Nick Williams, DE Brian Arnfelt, CB Terry Hawthorn; 3 waiver wire adds with PS eligibility at LB, QB, S.
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« Reply #21 on: Aug 21, 2013 at 13:35 »

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/le-veon-bell-injury-creates-uncertainty-pittsburgh-steelers-171032633.html

Really only interesting to note:

Tomlin said Steelers rookie running back Le’Veon Bell will not play this weekend because of a mid-foot sprain, and there is no word if he will miss any regular season games. It appears very unlikely he will play again in the preseason even if the injury is not severe. Tomlin said Bell is slated to obtain a second opinion, which means the injury is definitely serious.
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« Reply #22 on: Aug 21, 2013 at 14:01 »

Fucking better not be a Lisfranc.  But if it is, I think we still have some of Duce's old grays in a linen closet.

Going out on a limb and predicting we only score 13 against the Chiefs.  Who will look like Super Bowl contenders against us.  Kidding, of course.  I think.  Maybe.

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« Reply #23 on: Aug 21, 2013 at 15:53 »

Bell expected to miss 6-8 weeks

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/21/leveon-bell-expected-to-miss-6-8-weeks-with-foot-injury/
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« Reply #24 on: Aug 21, 2013 at 15:55 »

Yeah, well, fuck.

There must be several degrees of severity, given the 6-8 week timeframe.  I say don't rush the kid back, let's let Red, Dwyer, and LSH start the season. 
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« Reply #25 on: Aug 21, 2013 at 20:07 »

So I guess Bell will be on the PUP list, and that might be enough to keep Batch and LSH around for a while.
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« Reply #26 on: Aug 21, 2013 at 20:26 »

So I guess Bell will be on the PUP list, and that might be enough to keep Batch and LSH around for a while.

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« Reply #27 on: Aug 22, 2013 at 06:09 »

I think LSH is a lock, COP back.  Batch, hard to say, will need to make his case.  Batch has no speed, and LSH has value as KR.  Curious that LSH hasn't seen that role in the preseason.
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« Reply #28 on: Aug 22, 2013 at 08:10 »

Curious that LSH hasn't seen that role in the preseason.

They probably figger he's a known commodity at KR.
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« Reply #29 on: Aug 22, 2013 at 09:39 »

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Michael Turner is the pick here.
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« Reply #30 on: Aug 22, 2013 at 14:00 »

Bell injury not that bad?

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« Reply #31 on: Aug 22, 2013 at 14:08 »

Why, it's almost as though the fine journalists who report on the NFL just make shit up.  Perish the thought!
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« Reply #32 on: Aug 22, 2013 at 14:22 »

New reports say ixnay on the islay ancfray.
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« Reply #33 on: Aug 22, 2013 at 17:56 »

New reports say ixnay on the islay ancfray.


Our Max Grilled Steelers cryptologists have labored over this newest missive from the front and confidently translate as Drink Islay single malt.

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« Reply #34 on: Aug 22, 2013 at 19:40 »

Personally, I like the Campbelltowns.  Uckfay the islays.
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« Reply #35 on: Aug 23, 2013 at 08:32 »

Heard the 212 mention last night that he would likely be out 6 weeks...?

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« Reply #36 on: Aug 23, 2013 at 11:08 »

Steelers trade Adrian Robinson for Felix Jones.  Neither were likely to make either team. 
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« Reply #37 on: Aug 27, 2013 at 17:10 »

Updated, for the post-Chiefs preseason game:

Quarterback (3).
Ben Roethlisberger, Bruce Gradkowski, Landry Jones. John Parker Wilson.[/s]
Wilson is the odd man out, as predicted.  But that doesn’t make Jones a lock to make the team.  He saw no action vs. KC, and the Steelers could try to put him on the practice squad and see if someone better is available on waivers.

Running backs (5).
LeVeon Bell, Isaac Redman, LaRod Stephens-Howling, Will Johnson (FB/TE), Jonathan Dwyer , Felix JonesAlvester Alexander, Baron Batch, Jeremy Wright.
There’s something curious about the Jones trade – would the Steelers carry 6 RB while Bell heals?  Larod is back to practice, so if Jones was insurance his value is now decreased.  I think Jones is likely a guy they just wanted to kick the wheels of and will cut, but the fact that they traded for him still seems peculiar.  Alexander is just here for the remainder of camp, and Baron Batch’s time here is up.

Wide receivers (5).
Antonio Brown, Emmanuel Sanders, Jericho Cotchery, Markus Wheaton, Derek Moye, Reggie Dunn, Justin Brown, Kashif Moore, JD Woods, David Gilreath, Tyler Shaw.[/s]

Cutting Woods was a surprise.  Dunn’s showed nice return ability, but has a shoulder ding that may keep him out of the critical fourth preseason game.  Moye seems to get action every week, possibly bumping him to the front of the WR5 class.  And Brown is not out of it yet.  Moore is due in the next wave of cut-downs.

Tight ends (3).
Heath Miller, Matt Spaeth, David Paulson, David Johnson Michael Palmer, Jamie McCoy, Nathan Overbay, Peter Tuitupou.[/s]
Paulson’s strong camp hasn’t translated in the preseason, especially in blocking.  David Johnson’s return could also mean gimpy Matt Spaeth is in jeopardy.  Meanwhile, Michael Palmer has had some clutch STs plays to keep himself in the mix.  Very contentious.

Offensive line (9).
Maurkice Pouncey, David DeCastro, Mike Adams, Ramon Foster, Marcus Gilbert, Kelvin Beachum, John Malecki, Joe Long, Guy Whimper, Mike Golic, Joe Madsen, Chris Hubbard. D’Anthony Batiste, Justin Cheadle, Mike Farrell. [/s]
Cheadle was waived/injured, and the rest are no surprise.  I think Long improved his stock some and he and Whimper look to have the best shot of any of the rest here.
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« Reply #38 on: Aug 27, 2013 at 17:14 »

BTW, the Steelers might bounce someone from the 53MR and then put Spaeth on the Reserve PUP.

But it would not surprise me if Spaeth was a waive/injured if we got to a real numbers game.
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« Reply #39 on: Aug 27, 2013 at 17:14 »

D-side stock up/stock down:

Nose tackle (2).
Steve McLendon,Alameda Ta’amu, Hebron Fangupo .
I still think the Steelers want to hang onto Ta’amu as the backup NT, but Al Woods has shown he could potentially back up NT and DE, and that flexibility may allow the Steelers to spend an additional roster pick at another position.  Loni Fangupo may get consideration for the practice squad.

Defensive ends (4).
Ziggy Hood, Brett Keisel, Cameron Heyward, Al Woods, Brian Arnfelt, Nick Williams. [/s]
The Nick Williams to IR thing is odd.  He was injured, came back and played pretty decently, and now he’s injured?  Sounds like Tomlin’s taking a page from the Belicheck book and sneaking a guy he likes around the waiver process.  Meanwhile, Brian Arnfelt continues to make a strong case for himself, at the very worst a priority practice squad player.

Outside linebackers (4).
Lamarr Woodley, Jason Worilds, Jarvis Jones, Chris Carter, Alan Baxter. Adrian Robinson.[/s]
Frankly surprised that the Steelers traded Robinson.  Would seem to make Carter the guy, but he’s been rather bland in the preseason, and there was at least some cap talk that the coaches really liked Baxter.  Still, Baxter looks like practice squad to me unless he shows big in the final game.

Inside linebackers (5).
Lawrence Timmons, Larry Foote, Marshall McFadden, Vince Williams, Brian Rolle, Kion Wilson, Terence Garvin, Stevenson Sylvester, Sean Spence.[/s]
Sylvester, like Baron Batch, cut in the first wave to give him a better shot at signing with another team, but I was slightly surprised here.  The FO didn’t make re-signing Sly a priority, and there is enough good young talent vying for the backup spots that it makes sense.  Of McFadden, Williams, Wilson, and Rolle, I think Kion Wilson may be the odd man out, but I can’t remember a group if ILB bubble guys this talented in years.  Sean Spence has been PUPped.

Cornerbacks (6).
Ike Taylor, Cortez Allen, William Gay, Curtis Brown, Josh Victorian, Terry Hawthorn, Isaiah Green,  Devin Smith, Ross Ventrone. DeMarcus Van Dyke, Ryan Steed. [/s]
The speedy DVD was waived/injured, and Hawthorn is getting some play.  He needs to show enough to make the cut in his final game, but coaches may like his upside enough to do just that.  I’m not a big Victorian fan, but I have a feeling he has an inside track.  Isaiah Green is the only other guy who seems to be on the radar right now.

Safeties (4)
Troy Polamalu, Ryan Clark, Shamarko Thomas, Robert Golden, Damon Cromartie-Smith.
DC-S and Golden have had some ups and downs this preseason.  Meanwhile, Shamarko Thomas has been improving each week and is a lock.  The guy can lay some serious hits.

Specialists.
Shaun Suisham (PK), Greg Warren (LS), Drew Butler (P), Brian Moorman (P), Danny Hrapmann.
Nothing decided WRT punters yet…

Practice squad.
WR Justin Brown, G Chris Hubbard, NT Loni Fangupo, DE Brian Arnfelt, CB Isaiah Green; 3 waiver wire adds with PS eligibility at LB, QB, S.
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« Reply #40 on: Aug 30, 2013 at 07:30 »

I think this nails the final roster.

I wonder if they can trade Dwyer to Hairyarms?
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« Reply #41 on: Aug 30, 2013 at 10:27 »

I think this nails the final roster.

I wonder if they can trade Dwyer to Hairyarms?


Interesting.

No Dwyer would be a surprise considering when Bell went down, I figured him to be in line to start.  Maybe I was just off in my expectations.  At this point, I don't know what to think.  Sadly, I think Felix is probably the "best weapon" they currently have available at tailback.  Pretty sad considering he was on somebody else's roster a few weeks ago.  Hope Bell is a fast healer.

Moye over Brown?  Brown seems to be more athletic to me with greater upside.  Not discounting what Moye has shown, I just think that people are quick to jump on that wagon because we've seen a lot of him in the last two preseason games.

Something I didn't expect?  Depth at DL.  Lotta interesting prospects there.  I'd be interested to see what Arnfelt could do in games that count.

Biggest worry?  The back seven on defense.  IMO, this LB corp is the weakest starting group that I can remember with marginal depth.  We'll see if they can improve on their ability to get to/pressure the QB from last year.  My gut tells me they won't.  Starting secondary is fine, but quality depth at corner is a concern.  An injury to either Taylor or Allen and they're royally fucked.

Frankly, the only way I think they have a chance at being a top 10 defense is if everybody stays healthy.  Even then, it'll take some Comeback Player of the Year type performances from the likes of #43 and #56 to get them into that category.

I have a feeling that this team will have to average in the mid to upper 20s if they're going to make the playoffs.  Don't see them holding teams in the teens on average like in years past.
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« Reply #42 on: Aug 30, 2013 at 11:32 »

Bell's out of the boot and will see some (maybe limited action) early.  IMO, Redman is fine and can be the guy for now, and LSH has shown awesome burst.  And Felix may have beaten Dwyer just by being solid and making good decisions, as opposed to 2 fumbles/10 carries and some questionable cuts.  We'll see.

Moye has shown some nice moves after the catch, and is a high-effort guy (the INT).  He was better than Brown at PSU, and he's better here.  Unless it comes down to ST play.

Yeah, really like Arnfelt and Nick Williams.  Love the hell outta Woods right now.  Wanted to see more from Ta'amu and Fangupo, and if they keep one or the other that's a tough call IMO.  I think Fang is more of a natural 34NT right now, but he's older, and Ta'amu has size and youth.

OLB will be fine, with Worilds ceding to Jones; Carter showed a little against the kitties, but otherwise I wouldn't count on him.  Baxter actually seems like a nice developmental prospect there.  The ILB depth is IMO pretty good, with Williams and Rolle leading Wilson and Garvin.  But you get to the DBs and fuck it looks nasty.  Curtis Brown has progressed not one fucking bit, which is a shame, nice speed/size guy.  Maybe some of these guys like Hawthorne and Green can become something, but the secondary looks shameful right now.

Biggest concerns, secdary, OL, STs.  New boss, same as the old boss.  NOTHING this team does this season will surprise me.
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« Reply #43 on: Aug 30, 2013 at 12:55 »

NOTHING this team does this season will surprise me.

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« Reply #44 on: Aug 30, 2013 at 14:38 »

Fourteen and two, two and fourteen, anything in between.  But not 15-1, 16-0, 1-15, or 0-16.  That's just crazy talk.
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« Reply #45 on: Aug 30, 2013 at 18:35 »

Bubble guy, Kion Wilson.  Another quality character like Baron Batch and Shamarko Thomas. 

He's shown some good stuff, hope for the best for this kid whatever the Turk may bring.
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« Reply #46 on: Aug 31, 2013 at 15:29 »

http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/Miller-activated-Dwyer-among-22-cuts/cc90b66d-3f13-4d5f-9d55-fc9ab19b875b
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« Reply #47 on: Sep 02, 2013 at 19:24 »

Butler waived.  Zoltan Mesko signed
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