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« on: Dec 06, 2013 at 21:23 »

Statement of the sad situation in the 'Burgh that kickoff is in about 39 hours and we haven't even started this thread yet.

Also says that Miami is one of the least interesting teams in the league.
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« Reply #1 on: Dec 07, 2013 at 10:09 »

Truth be told, this is probably the biggest game of the week in the AFC too.

Steelers obviously have to win out and have a somewhat favorable schedule to get it done.  Many of the teams ahead of them (especially Baltimore) have tougher roads to travel.

Every game is a MUST WIN.
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« Reply #2 on: Dec 07, 2013 at 12:57 »

I hope we come out and run it up the middle 5 times again like last week.  Fuck the no huddle, fuck playing to the teams strengths.  Let's establish the run and get that 3-0 lead, then try to run out the clock. 

Over/Under on snaps Woodley plays before "tweaking" the calf muscle? 

Over/Under on points we're trailing by before Tomlin/Haley-ego let Ben call the plays?
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« Reply #3 on: Dec 07, 2013 at 17:10 »

I hope we come out and run it up the middle 5 times again like last week.  Fuck the no huddle, fuck playing to the teams strengths.  Let's establish the run and get that 3-0 lead, then try to run out the clock. 

Over/Under on snaps Woodley plays before "tweaking" the calf muscle? 

Over/Under on points we're trailing by before Tomlin/Haley-ego let Ben call the plays?

LOL @ 3-0 lead and running out the clock.

DDC is gimpy, and Cody Wallace at C.  Ugly middle.  Oh, and the suddenly Saffold-like Beachum is out so Smoky is getting another shot at LT.  Shame Ben won't see the birth of his second child.

AB draws Brent Grimes, but the way he handled Haden, I don't think there is a corner in the league that can shut him down.  Ben will be under pressure all day, but if they can get a quick-hitter passing game going, we may bet to 20+ points. 

Ike's been getting burned, and Wallace should be no exception.  But he's such a fucking dropastic shithead he's bound to  1) get 100+ yards and a TD and 2) drop enough balls that he could have had 200+ yards and 3 TD.  With Mac still out the Fins will get traction running.  Lamar Miller will have a good day.  Although maybe not.  Larry-Juan Timmons has been beasting, and looking at the diameter of his biceps, juicing.  Wood + Worilds > Worilds + Jarbust. 

Gonna say that Ben gets sacked 5 times, but the Stillers still prevail, getting some passing rhythm going late, 20-16.
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« Reply #4 on: Dec 08, 2013 at 11:03 »

Yeah I think we win this one too. Lose next week once our hopes are up again then Win the last two. 8-8, right in that meaty part of the curve, errr draft.
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« Reply #5 on: Dec 08, 2013 at 12:25 »

Great first drive.  Sanders actually caught a TD pass, wow.  Love the way that started with 5 or 6 straight runs, the Fish just couldn't stop it.  Then a pap to HEAT, more running and the 3rd and 4 from the 5 TD pass to Sanders.  Nice.
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« Reply #6 on: Dec 08, 2013 at 13:32 »

Not much offense after the TD.  Three and out, then a sack+fumble for Ben, another punt, 3 and out.  Meanwhile the Fins capitalize on the fumble and get a TD on a 31 yd drive.  At least the TD pass wasn't to Wallace.
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« Reply #7 on: Dec 08, 2013 at 14:27 »

I don't know what you guys think, but this Bell guy is pretty good.
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« Reply #8 on: Dec 08, 2013 at 14:31 »

The offense is really looking much better.  Hopefully the defense can pull this one out.  They've been good enough so far.
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 08, 2013 at 15:03 »

If they lose this game now .... grrrrr.  Why do I keep letting them pull me back in?  WHY?
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« Reply #10 on: Dec 08, 2013 at 15:04 »

31-28 Miami.  The defense totally blew it on that series.  Unbelievable.
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« Reply #11 on: Dec 08, 2013 at 15:05 »

Ben better get it done b/c the Petersonless Vikings are beating the B'morons.
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« Reply #12 on: Dec 08, 2013 at 15:07 »

Holding on the KO return.  90 yards to go ...
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« Reply #13 on: Dec 08, 2013 at 15:08 »

Heads. Must. Roll.
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« Reply #14 on: Dec 08, 2013 at 15:10 »

4th and 10, 3 straight incompletions.  Going for it and ...
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« Reply #15 on: Dec 08, 2013 at 15:13 »

Sanders drops yet another crucial pass.... Well, that should do it on this season
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« Reply #16 on: Dec 08, 2013 at 15:13 »

What a fitting ending to the game and season.  So now I'm back to the loose out attitude.  Fuck it all, burn it down, loose out, get a better pick.
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« Reply #17 on: Dec 08, 2013 at 15:16 »

B'more got a PR td to retake the lead, but the Vikes just hit a big play for a td and 4 pt lead with 00:45 to go. 

Not that it matters.
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« Reply #18 on: Dec 08, 2013 at 15:17 »

And at 26-14 with 2:45 to go, it looks like CLE is gonna pull off a massive upset @NE.
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« Reply #19 on: Dec 08, 2013 at 15:18 »

Where was this tackling before?  WTF?  It's like the defense wasn't even on the field for that last decisive drive by Miami.
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« Reply #20 on: Dec 08, 2013 at 15:21 »

Here's the thing:  Our entire division sucks. The Bengals will win it with a good record, but are they even raising a bead of sweat on the head of Denver or New England?

All you have to do is be respectable to win this thing. Get in the tournament and who knows what could happen? But we can't even do that.

I know that some have argued for Haley's improvement, and he surely is trying to mold the Venus de Milo with a steaming mound of loose diarrhea. But consecutive bubble screens? Failure to get Miller the ball (I know, I know, he had to block)?
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« Reply #21 on: Dec 08, 2013 at 15:26 »

I'm not throwing Haley under the bus, it's too many crappy players.  As Tomlin would say, too many guys are under the line.
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« Reply #22 on: Dec 08, 2013 at 15:27 »

Wow, the Vikes still found a way to lose that game.  Stunning.
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« Reply #23 on: Dec 08, 2013 at 15:31 »

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« Reply #24 on: Dec 08, 2013 at 15:41 »

Even if AB hadn't stepped out of bounds, Ben's lateral sure did look like a forward pass.

Still, the defense totally sucked in the second half. Couldn't tackle a two year old.

Penalties also hurt them, especially the back to back calls with 4:30 minutes left when they were driving into Miami territory trying to ice the game.

The bottom line is that this team isn't very good. Mounting injuries haven't helped. I'm willing to give Haley a pass, but Tomlin should be on the hot seat , especially if they lose a draft pick because of his dumb ass.
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« Reply #25 on: Dec 08, 2013 at 15:43 »

It's impossible to put into words how much I loathe Manny Sanders.  If they resign him I honestly can't be a fan anymore.
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« Reply #26 on: Dec 08, 2013 at 16:14 »

they deserve every single thing they got from that game. Mike Tomlin is an idiot, and doesn't know how to manage the clock.

Oh it looks like the Ravens are going to win.

Suck a dick Tomlin.  
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« Reply #27 on: Dec 08, 2013 at 16:19 »

Even if AB hadn't stepped out of bounds, Ben's lateral sure did look like a forward pass.

Agree
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« Reply #28 on: Dec 08, 2013 at 16:27 »

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Even if AB hadn't stepped out of bounds, Ben's lateral sure did look like a forward pass.

Yep. But they missed that one. And it sure would have been a fun ending to a horrible game!

Sorry Jonzr. But I'm more than willing to toss Haley under the bus. That's not to say he's the reason that the offense is terrible, but I don't think he'd change a thing even if he had the talent. I just don't believe he's capable of making adjustments outside of letting Ben call the plays.
 

And Tomlin is about the same.
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« Reply #29 on: Dec 08, 2013 at 16:38 »

So the Jarvis Jones pick was a good one....
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« Reply #30 on: Dec 08, 2013 at 17:14 »

So the Jarvis Jones pick was a good one....

Yeah you think Jarbust would have shown a SINGLE flash as a pass rusher. Or made one fuckjng splash play all yeah. Tombert is a jackass in so many ways.

At least Antonio Brown an Mike Wallace got to trade jerseys after the game. Clownshoes.
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« Reply #31 on: Dec 08, 2013 at 17:59 »

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The Bro-in-Law is a huge Georgia fan, so I constantly have to hear about how "great" Jarvis is and how the Steelers just aren't using him correctly and how he was the only one on defense doing anything until he got hurt and blah blah blah.

Finally had to tell him on Thanksgiving that JJ is like the rest of the Georgia Bulldogs:  Useless against anyone other than Kentucky.

On a brighter note, Worilds actually looks competent. Woodley almost made a play, bringing his average salary for plays he almost made to only about to about $52,667 per "almost". On the other hand, the Steelers are paying him $632,000 per actual sack.
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On the bright side, they still have a top 12 pick!
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« Reply #33 on: Dec 08, 2013 at 19:25 »

They need to keep Worilds.  Jarbust may evolve into competency, but until then it needs to be W+W.

Cam Heyward is becoming the guy I'd hoped he be.  He's actually very good.  And will get better.

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« Reply #34 on: Dec 08, 2013 at 20:53 »

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Cam Heyward is becoming the guy I'd hoped he be.  He's actually very good.  And will get better.

Need a true NT to go with him. But that play where he pulled the kid down by the jersey was incredible. Takes serious strength vs. NFL back
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« Reply #35 on: Dec 08, 2013 at 21:41 »

The one thing I will say about Jones is that very few rookies figure out this system in one year, even though he supposedly was more ready than most.  Timmons took a few years, Troy was nonexistent his rookie year.

Draft, here we come.
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« Reply #36 on: Dec 09, 2013 at 08:34 »

The one thing I will say about Jones is that very few rookies figure out this system in one year, even though he supposedly was more ready than most.  Timmons took a few years, Troy was nonexistent his rookie year.

Draft, here we come.


This is true, and a year with strength and conditioning may help with issues at the POA.  If he can get the mental aspect, it may compensate for some speed issues.  Hell, we're just now seeing what Worilds can do.

But I will say that we saw some flashes with Troy his rookie season.  Steelers-Rams October 26, 2003:  Steelers were still trying to find any semblance of speed amongst their DBs.  We drafted Troy R1 and Ike R4.  Starters included:  FS Brent "Burnt" Alexander (Chris Hope was drafted 2002, I don't think he was starting yet), SS Mike Logan, and CBs DeWayne Washington and Chad "Charred" Scott.  (Also on the roster, CB Deshea Townshend, who had to wait a few before getting his shot [Huh?], and ST ace Chidi Iwuoma.)

Miserable fucking game, 1000th game in team history.  Rained like a motherfucker.  We were there.  Torry Holt racked up 175.  But the one play that I remember was an INT gliding right... through... Pola's... hands.  What amazed me was that he was actually fast enough to be in position, and heady enough to know where to be, to even be in position to make the play.  The beginning of the end of that shitty secondary.
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« Reply #37 on: Dec 09, 2013 at 08:52 »

Why is it every other NFL team can get rookies to step right in on defense but for some reason ours is a bizarre puzzle that takes years to figure out?

A year in the weight room may help Jones, I just don't see anything special about him.  I think Woodley had 4 or 5 sacks as a rook, and you could see the potential.  I remember guys like Porter and Holmes having a nose for the ball, whether it was preseason or not.

Obviously he gets another year, but the only other guys on this defense who should be guaranteed spots next year are Worilds (if they can sign him), Heyward, Troy, and Timmons.  There's some guys with potential I guess in Allen, Mac (as a DE) and Shamarko but they really need to clean house.
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« Reply #38 on: Dec 09, 2013 at 09:47 »

Not intending to be argumentative; would expect some issues with coverage, against the run and conditioning (length of the season... would expect him to be hitting the rookie wall about this time).  But JJ has seen a lot of snaps as a pass rusher and I expect better than he has given. 

And it is a shame given what Worilds has done this year, but who could have seen that given his hx with the team (injuries).  Worilds likely gets us a 4th/5th Comp pick in 2015.  Good for him as it was the year to get the dough.  He may go elsewhere and be injured or play poorly.  But good for him and his agent

Cam Heyward has been a real nice surprise on an otherwise disappointing season.  Looks like the bridge from Aaron Smith.  Zig Hood is gone at the end of the season and Keisel is done.  Not sure if Arnfelt is anything other than JaG but it may be time to find out by putting Keisel on IR (though, the Steelers don't seem like the type of org that lets that type of player ride off in to the sunset in that way).  Cut Fangupo and go with McClendon and Woods as NT and bring Arnfelt up.  Nick Williams next year?  I think they should sign/draft a NT to backup McC and let Woods give it a shot at end.

For as nice as Troy's TD was, the rest of his day was as bad. Troy really is a dime backer at this point.  Ryan Clark will not be back next year. We saw that Ike was going downhill last year but luckily restructured his contract to increase his cap hit next year.  He likely takes a paycut and stays next year.

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« Reply #39 on: Dec 09, 2013 at 13:03 »

I don't know what you guys think, but this Bell guy is pretty good.


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And at 26-14 with 2:45 to go, it looks like CLE is gonna pull off a massive upset @NE.


D’oh!

Even if AB hadn't stepped out of bounds, Ben's lateral sure did look like a forward pass.


Yep.  Looked like it went forward about a yard.  Pitched at the 32, caught at the 33.  Imagine the reaction when that one gets reversed upon further review.

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Still, the defense totally sucked in the second half. Couldn't tackle a two year old.


Yep.

They need to keep Worilds.  Jarbust may evolve into competency, but until then it needs to be W+W.

Cam Heyward is becoming the guy I'd hoped he be.  He's actually very good.  And will get better.


From last year’s roster, I think Worilds is the biggest surprise of the season.

Need a true NT to go with him.


If he doesn’t command too much coin, B.J. Raji.

But the one play that I remember was an INT gliding right... through... Pola's... hands.  What amazed me was that he was actually fast enough to be in position, and heady enough to know where to be, to even be in position to make the play.  The beginning of the end of that shitty secondary.


The more things change, the more they stay the same.  Sounds an awful lot like the first pickle TP should’ve had on Sunday.  Thing is, I think that happens not because he can’t catch (read: Ike), but because in his mind, he’s already caught the ball and is looking 3 or 4 steps ahead to taking it back.  Like he did a little later in the game.

A year in the weight room may help Jones, I just don't see anything special about him.  I think Woodley had 4 or 5 sacks as a rook, and you could see the potential.  I remember guys like Porter and Holmes having a nose for the ball, whether it was preseason or not.

Obviously he gets another year, but the only other guys on this defense who should be guaranteed spots next year are Worilds (if they can sign him), Heyward, Troy, and Timmons.  There's some guys with potential I guess in Allen, Mac (as a DE) and Shamarko but they really need to clean house.


Totally agree.  Didn’t like it at the time…still don’t.  You can teach technique, scheme, different moves, things to watch and look for, but you can’t teach speed.  He doesn’t the explosion you need to be a wreaks havoc type of pass rusher.  Honestly, I don’t see a place for him on this defense.  Like Mendenhall, he’s lucky he was a first round pick because that will buy him some additional time to try to “get it.”  I expect the same outcome, tho.

Cut Fangupo and go with McClendon and Woods as NT and bring Arnfelt up.


Haven’t looked into options much yet, but keeping McLendon and Heyward at DE (with Woods and Arnfelt as backups) and signing a guy like BJ Raji to play the nose would go a long way to getting that side of the ball back on track.
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« Reply #40 on: Dec 09, 2013 at 13:52 »

I'd at least like to see what Fangs can do at NT.  Season's shot, try Heyward and Mac at end, Fangs at the nose. 

Raji is gonna get some coin.

Looking at Woodley's age (29) and cap numbers do provide a different perspective on the OLB situation.  Plus Wood's been dinged up so damned much.  OLB is really screwing us, and if they do the dumbass thing and let Worilds walk, the clusterfuck will be complete.
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« Reply #41 on: Dec 10, 2013 at 08:59 »

Actually just got around to watching the game, at least skimming through it.  I don't think that last play was a lateral.  Ben's feet were a yard back, but with his arm outstretched it was pretty much sideways.  Immaterial, and of course had they reviewed it "irrefutable evidence" varies for each team, so we would have gotten screwed. 

Brown did not have to step out of bounds.  He was past the defender at that point.  Story of the season - small things have cost us wins.  So many opportunities to put that one away, and just didn't make the play when we needed it.

Most frustrating season since maybe when Ben put his head through the windshield.
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« Reply #42 on: Dec 10, 2013 at 09:26 »

Everything I've read said it was a forward pass.  If he hadn't stepped out we would have had to wait around for 20 minutes until they overturned it, which in retrospect would have been a more perfect ending to that abortion of a game. 

unless it was Brady, then the touchdown would not only have counted but would have been worth bonus points.  With 15 yards for roughing assessed on the kickoff next week.
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« Reply #43 on: Dec 12, 2013 at 07:52 »

Everything I've read said it was a forward pass.  If he hadn't stepped out we would have had to wait around for 20 minutes until they overturned it, which in retrospect would have been a more perfect ending to that abortion of a game. 

unless it was Brady, then the touchdown would not only have counted but would have been worth bonus points.  With 15 yards for roughing assessed on the kickoff next week.

I stand corrected.  It was a legal lateral according to reports. 
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« Reply #44 on: Dec 12, 2013 at 10:09 »

I stand corrected.  It was a legal lateral according to reports.  

Really?  Link?

Edit:  Nevermind.  Saw the article where the NFL VP of officiating said it would've survived a review given a lack of indisputable evidence to overturn.  Personally, I think that's a load of shit and doesn't necessarily mean that the in game official would've "seen" the same thing on review.  As I understand it on those types of plays, it's not where the player's body is at the time but where the ball is released and caught.  After seeing the video of the play, I maintain that the ball was released at the 32 and was caught by Bell at the 33.  IMO, it's about as irrefutable as it can get.
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